Hi Holly, I personally have a big problem with 4H. Because I over the last 3 years have learned to become a vegetarian. I can't seem to stay away from cheese and milk for my shakes and tea or I would be a vegan. When I worked at a kennel here in BC ( Woodside ) I took a group of 4H kids from just over the border through the kennels. ( I wish now I had taken the names of the adults so I could have a written word) . The kids( 8 of them ) were either horrified or ignorant. Most were aghast at the conditions the dogs were kept in and some were fine. The ones that were "fine" with it have always worried me. I do know 3 kids from one family bought 2 young females to breed from that breeder. One of them, Khameo, was bred twice and then ended up in a bullshit rescue here in Canada ( Big Dog Rescue ) and bred a couple of more times and then ultimately ended up back at Woodside.....AFTER being spayed by a reputable rescue and Woodside showed her for a couple of points to gain points for the sire. ( While spayed, it IS a fact ) Woodside got Khameo from the reputable rescue because they always offer the breeder the first option. That is now changed. Never never never again will trust be put there. Colleen Donnelly Holly Woods <hollywoods@xxxxxxx> wrote: I am judging the dog 4 H show next weekend.... I have to saty it is one of the ones I dont have a problem with.... I cant stand to see a kid make a pet of animal and then sell it to be eaten..... I can understand them being raised to be eaten.......... whole diff story. These are brushed washed.... rode on,, told stories to.. had homework done with......(much like our dogs are)....... I dont believe in someone making a pet of something and gaining its trust and then eating it......... Im sure I will get flackk over this Holly Woods Marrand Shepherds Williams Lake, B.C. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/2005 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von Stephanitz Whoever will only draw conclusions from the eminence of his own particular point of view, will obtain a distorted picture. --Max von Stephanitz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================