[seaventures] Re: Snorkeling Question
- From: mrclod@xxxxxxx
- To: seaventures@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:19:26 -0500
Craig I:
The shop we reside from may take a profit, however, we as instructors I dare
say are not profiting, so in my opinion, you are fine in providing a topic/link
for further discussion. I know at leat for me it still costs more per year in
fees, insurance, equipment, time, travel, c.e. than what is received monetarily
in return.
I also still stand behind my original post that this might be a more fun topic
with copious amounts of beer. At least some of our imaginations can come to
light.
Besides, we teach snorkeling and not free diving. And I always try to get us
to drink more, though not while diving of course.
Hope all holidays are great for all of the staff.
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: 1goheen@xxxxxxxxx
To: seaventures@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: [seaventures] Re: Snorkeling Question
I get the blame for using the slide. This discussions points out
many, many of the problems with the web. If the good doctor does not
want to be taken out of context then it would be in his best interest
to remove the context from the web.
The copy of the slides I reviewed did not have any narrative, they
were just slides. His own page states "These articles may be used for
not-for-profit diving education". How is it rational to allow the use
of this material for not-for-profit, but in the next breath expect a
not for profit organization to have the knowledge to use the
information responsibly and in context.
I'll now relinquish my soap box. NATE IS INNOCENT!
On 12/24/06, craig goheen <cgoheen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Recently we had a discussion regarding a snorkeling question and
> whether we need to concern ourselves with it and DCS. Nate, I think,
> quoted a Dr. Taylor in defense of his argument. Dr. Taylor did some
> was doing research on Google and pulled up our discussion. After
> reading it he sent me an email. After a nice discussion with him he
> has agreed to let me post his response to our listserv. Below is his
> entire email. Enjoy and have a merry Christmas / Chanukah / Kwanzaa.
>
> Craig II
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Larry Harris Taylor
> Date: Dec 24, 2006 1:13 AM
> Subject: Reference to my words
> To: cgoheen@xxxxxxxxx
>
> SeaVentures,
>
> While browsing Google, I noticed a Google reference to a post on your
> web site ([seaventures] Re: Snorkel and Dive Tables) about a 2003
> presentation of mine called "Friday Night Review" ... the particular
> slide mentioned in your post addressed the use of dive tables in dive
> planning, especially when free diving. The point of the slide (used in
> a review of basic diving knowledge just prior to the first open water
> experience) was to make a clear distinction between free diving and
> diving on compressed gases.
>
> Your poster stated
>
> "Dr. Taylor's answer was that it didn't matter because you weren't
> breating compressed gas. But as you have seen by the research
> provided by Nate, it does matter."
>
>
> I did not see in your post, the text message that appeared in the
> Friday Night Review article under the quoted slide of a dive table
> exercise.:
>
> Under most circumstances, nitrogen absorption while snorkeling is
> irrelevant to recreational diving. While there have been reported
> cases of DCS in free divers, the incidents involved more than 8 hours
> of repetitive, working dives to depths in excess of 60 fsw.
>
> I believe the above statement alters the tone of the post on your web
> site, as well as my teaching presentation.
>
> The web site links to my power point presentations (which are art work
> only) at http://www.mindspring.com/~divegeek/pwrpnt.htm clearly
> states:
>
> I hope that users remember that illustrations in a slide show are, by
> themselves, memory keys for the speaker and, as such, are inherently
> incomplete. A total presentation is the sum of the images projected
> and the comments of the presenter. Since the illustrations are only
> part of a complete package, the author assumes no liability for their
> use.
>
> The article Friday Night Review is at:
> (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lpt/friday.htm )
>
>
> While DCS in free diving (as in all diving) is still a not-totally
> understood occurrence, I think that my presentation does suggest a
> potential hazard, but for most recreational divers who do not
> participate in sustained free diving to depths below 30 fsw, the risk,
> while not zero, is minimal.
>
> This is another example of how out-of-context posts (far too common on
> the internet and in dive instruction) can be used to alter original
> intent, tone and meaning of a statement.
>
> While I am pleased that web traffic suggests my web pages are useful
> to the diving community, I would appreciate it if my words were not
> taken out of context, especially when the out-of-context post alters
> the intent, tone or facts of the material offered to the diving
> community on my web site.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dive long and prosper,
>
> "Harris"
> Larry "Harris" Taylor, Ph. D.
>
> Sr Lab Specialist, MBNI, U of MI
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lpt
>
> Diving Safety Coordinator, U of MI
> http://www.mindspring.com/~divegeek
>
>
>
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