Well hell! If your not going to install a poop deck, I'm gonna. It I'll be
the first Seawind 1000 w/ one! Can't wait to tell the boyz down
under.................
--- On Thu, 9/6/12, Michael Zotzky <mzotzky@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Michael Zotzky <mzotzky@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 5:05 PM
Sorta kills the experience of taking a nice cooling dip in the afternoon. ;-)
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Gene Foss
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:53 AM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Forget the veggies,baggies, and all the other crap and put in a poop deck too!
--- On Thu, 9/6/12, Michael Zotzky <mzotzky@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Michael Zotzky <mzotzky@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 4:53 PM
Not sure that having a macerator pump on the toilet has any more risk to
pressurize the holding tank than does the manual pump. And baggies are
resealable; they get tossed when they get filled.
So given your plumbing hookup, you have to run the macerator pump to use a
pumpout station? I think our holding tank only has one in/out line, and a
separate vent line. I didn’t think you could get flow thru a shutoff macerator
pump.
For veggies, we use those green bags you get at Bed Bath & Beyond, and probably
some other discounters. Rinse and reuse too. There are some fruits though
that they do not work well with. Read the instructions first. (We did that
after ruining a couple of things)
Mike
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Gary Oelze
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:17 AM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Mike,
Our macerator, pumps out of the tank not into it. I wouldn’t want to
pressurize a holding tank.
The only problem I created is that I moved the macerator from a horizontal
mount on the tank top and mounted it to the forward bulkhead to give my gal
room to fill up the entire space with all kinds of cleaning products and etc
etc etc. The issue I developed was that I could only mount it upside down
such that the motor was under the pump and this has lead to one failure with
“water” entering the motor. Also, note if the motor doesn’t want to spin
there is a slot in the motor shaft that you can use to loosen up the unit
(after it sits idle for 6 months in our case). This precludes burning up the
motor if the pump is frozen.
Our tank discharge line runs from top of tank to macerator. Then from
macerator to a leg of a “Y” hose fitting. Then from “y” to thru hull with
shut-off. The other leg of this same “Y” is plumbed to toilet discharge. I
can thank John Peters for the flow pattern. The “y” fitting is above sea
level and working on hose connections is less messy since water sits below the
“y”.
RE: TP usage. We have a small trash can that we line with used small plastic
shopping bags of all types – but similar size. I’m truly amazed and happy
that the “used” paper never smells and I credit this to the drying action of
the TP. There is no need to bag up after each use. When the door is open
there is a small visual of the trash can on the floor level, and the used paper
put in there is left with the pretty side up as need be. It gets emptied
(tied up first) once per week -no issues. So, stop wasting baggies! J We
are amp Nazis, water Nazis as well as baggie Nazis. Most baggies we use in the
galley are for holding veggies, we wash, invert and let dry and re-use.
Gary
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Michael Zotzky
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:51 AM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
So you have the electric head with the macerator pump on it, and it pumps into
the holding tank?
We don’t put any paper in the toilets. We have a box of baggies in the cabinet
under the sink, and a trash can. We bag the toilet paper, and put it in the
can. It is amazing how little paper you really have to use. And no order if
bagged. Have never – knock on wood vigorously – had a clog issue.
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On Behalf Of sail-norska@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:07 AM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Michael,
Yes, we have the Johnson Macerator pump and have found that more than four
sheets of Charmin toilet tissue can plug it up. We also have switched to
Scott's RV tissue which was recommended in Practical Sailor. This tissue is
marketted for toilets in recreational campers and dos dissolve more readily.
However, if the toilet tissue gets through the macerator into the the tank it
has not obstructed the pump out of the holding tank. The material that has
obstructed the outflow of our tank on two occasions is like three dozen egg
shells or flakes of limestone. I have bench tested this and it dissolves in
Hydrochloric acid so I assume it is a calcium or sodium phosphate or sulfate.
The trick is to frequently flush the tank with fresh ( not salt water).
Brian
From: "Michael Zotzky" <mzotzky@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 7:41:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Is your macerator pump plumbed to the tank, or did you change out the entire
head assembly to a macerator design unit?
We were at anchor for a week, and managed to fill up the holding tank with just
the two of us. The pumping to clear the hose really uses a lot of water. I
don’t think macerator discharge into the bay is legal, but wondering whether
you use less water with a macerator. Or if it becomes less critical to use so
much water to clear the hose.
mike
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Gary Oelze
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:58 PM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Brian,
Sounds like a good Idea. 90% of the time we are using our macerator since we
are on anchor so much. It really drains the tank well.
About a month into cruising we met a couple that informed us not to flush TP
into the tank - and we got that a day too late. I spent 4 hours back there
pulling off and on the hoses trying to make it work without me getting shot
thru with the macerator pump bullets. The wire clothes hanger became a dear
friend to me. I could not believe how hard and thick a paper machete floating
blanket could develop, such that my hanger was being stopped and bent. Sorry
for the visual.
I don’t think I’ve helped Steve Ellsworth with all this but it sure gave me a
warm smelly err fuzzy memory.
Gary
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of sail-norska@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:50 PM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Gary,
We have a 2008 1000XL with a fiberglass holding tank below which is a three way
Jabsco Y valve draining
to a deck fitting or to the through hull to sea. Yes, both exits have occluded
and caused trouble.
Theblocking material is a dense sludge of flakes that seem to be from the walls
of the holding tank where the effluent has chemically interacted with salt
water.Vinegar does not disolve it. Hydrochloric acid does dissolve it.
Sulfuric acid is too dangerous to use but been recommended..
A better choice is to frequently flush the holding tank with fresh water which
does two things. It reduces the fraction of stool remaining on the walls to
interact with salt water and the fresh water allows growth of normal bacteria
which seem to break down the mess.
Additionally, I have installed another deck fitting which leads via a 1.5 inch
diameter pipe directly into the holding tank directly above the Y valve so that
if another mechanical block occurs there is a direct shot to use a wire "snake".
Brian Beaver
NORSKA #10179
From: "Gary Oelze" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 5:07:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Steve,
After you put the hanger in and remove; then do you attach the hose and then
pump out through this same hose?
Gary
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Steve Ellsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:25 PM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Gary, I remove the hose as it exits the tank and then put the hanger down the
tube into the tank. I don’t feel any resistance nor does the hanger snag on any
assumed blockage. It’s like a magic wand. (not one I would wave around after
usage!)
Steve
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Gary Oelze
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:41 PM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Can you clarify your set up. Are you removing the outflow hose, then putting
hanger down the tube hose came off of, and then re-connecting outflow hose and
then it works?
We only put in the tank what we ate (does that sound right?) and we too have
had issues. In one case it was the pump out equipment was too weak to lift
it. But, the larger issue is if you’ve over filled the tank and the vent line
is plugged. This causes the holding tank to shrink when the pump out runs.
Usually when the vent line is plugged you will get odors from the vent line
when the toilet is used. The line can be cleaned and used again. Access to a
pressured hose would make that process easier than trying to wash off the back
of the boat. Been there..
Gary
From: scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:scoaa-members-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] ;
On Behalf Of Steve Ellsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:18 AM
To: scoaa-members@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Scoaa-members] pumping the poopie tank
Has anyone experienced difficulty in pumping their poopie tank. The last two
times I have pumped out I have gotten no flow and had to take the outflow hose
off the top of the tank and still had no flow. With a little rattling around
with a coat hanger I can get the flow to start. We use no TP in the head and
suspect that the top of the tank has “drooped” and the pick-up tube is
contacting the bottom of the tank restricting the flow causing the tube to suck
down to the bottom. Only problem with that theory is that the coat hanger works
at clearing whatever the obstruction is. Once it starts to flow it operates
normally excepting clean water and subsequent pumping. Can’t figure it out, but
if I have to do this every time I will start using a bucket. Thinking of
putting an inspection port in the top of the tank to see what’s happening, a
nasty job requiring a gallon of bleach and goggles.
Steve
Barramundi
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