Richard, I only quote Rudolf Kingslake, after to mention H. Dennis Taylor observations about the tarnished lenses transmitted more light, he writes: "The whole subject was opened up in 1936 when A. Smakula of Zeiss invented the process of coating lens surfaces in a vacuum with a thin evaporated layer of low-index material.A single layer of such material, originally calcium fluoride or magnesium fluoride, has the effect of reducing the reflectivity greatly at one wavelength in the middle of the spectrum, but less at the longer or shorter wavelengths at the ends of the spectrum..." (Rudolf Kingslake, "A history of photographic Lens", Science 1989) And this is from a Zeiss on-line paper: "Coating optimization Working at Carl Zeiss, Smakula developed a completely new, patented method in 1935 to minimize annoying reflections on optical surfaces: he added an additional coating ? which was also very durable ? to the surface of a lens, which had an anti-reflection effect. Smakula?s work is the basis of the standard procedures used to minimize reflections today..." http://www.zeiss.com/C125716F004E0776/0/D6BDB824254AA33CC125730800346465/$File/inno17_e_1821.pdf All the best Carlos --- Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc James Small" <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:43 PM > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35S, SE > > > At 02:55 PM 10/3/2007, Richard Knoppow wrote: > > > > Well, there are other sources such as patent > literature > >and stuff published in various scientific > journals, for > >instance, the _Journal of the Optical Society of > America_ > >and the afore mentioned _RCA Review_. > > Also, history accepted by whom? Also, history > derived > >from the actual participants may simply mean > anecdotal > >evidence. Also, who do you think wrote the history > at SVC? > > Richard, I am speaking of the accepted story of > the history of lens coating as set out by a > number of optical and commercial historians: you > might revisit the appendix in my own 39mm > DIVERSITY on this subject, and note the many > references cited there. For that matter, the > development of lens coating is covered in several > places in the US Army's "Green Books", the > history of the US Army in the Second World War. > > The dispositive account of the Zeiss development > was published in a German technical journal in > 1940; I can provide a full citation, though the > journal is rather difficult to locate today and I > do not own a copy, though I have seen one. > > I am sure that this Society of Vacuum Coaters is > a nifty group, but they ignore non-US > developments and ignore the role the US military > played. > > Marc > > > msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir! > > What in the world are you talking about? The > history I > am speaking about specifically is the one published > by the > Frankford Arsenal in 1943. This is available on the > SVC site > as a PDF. There is also a general history of the > development > of vacuum coating of all sorts which traces the > history of > vacuum pumps, etc. There is also a military > technical manual > on how to do hard vacuum coating. Both also as > PDF's. I > think you are the one ignoring sources. Zeiss did > not invent > everything although the Germans historically > certainly did > not like to credit anyone else with anything. > I may also point out that the beginnings of > modern > high-vacuum equipment was developed at General > Electric and > at Bell Laboratories in the mid-teens. Both were > trying to > perfect vacuum tubes. Lee DeForest did not > understand the > need for a really good vacuum and his Audion tubes > had a > very bad reputation. He sold his patents to Western > Electric > and General Electric. The principle investigators > were > Irving Langmuir at GE and Henry DeForest Arnold at > Western > Electric/Bell Labs. These two, working > independantly, > invented similar diffusion pumps to provide the kind > of very > high vacuum needed for vacuum tubes and for > generating > plasmas. > > --- > Richard Knoppow > Los Angeles, CA, USA > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into > www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging > into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > Los referentes más importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es más fácil. 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