Oh so black people are not racist?
Please.
Black people built this world, racism is on top of their list of
feelings they are entitled to have.
And yes we do need to change the symbols once used to suppress people
around the world because if nothing else it gives credence to the lives
of those who fought to change it for us living. Tho you may not see
the changes (as evolution is not bounded by the rules of "DOUG's" time)
please do not sully the struggle of so many people who have died for
these "vaguely perceived racial bias"
It is not to "relegate otherwise descriptive words to obscurity," but
it is the same reason why we buy new rollei's with the new and improve
lenses. The new lenses render the old ones obsolete. You Doug as an
"experienced photographer" might enjoy looking at some 30x40 image that
has been put through six hundred episode of unsharp mask to sharpen it
- only to find that it is still plagued with the same flaws indicative
of its period...a blurry unsharp picture. And Doug, I am not suffering
because of racism. I am trying to make sure that this seven month old
son that I am smiling at as we type back and forth to each other does
not have to deal with the stuff you are trying to pass off as ? This
is why we change the symbols.
And while you feel comfortable laughing with your wife about how some
misguided black man over in New York is over sensitive, I still say
that if I had used the term gas chamber, suicide bombing, plane crash
in world trade centre or any other unkind way of joining your statement
with, "to bring out the mob," someone would have had me kicked off
this chat room by now.
My wife, a 9 year sociologist out of Stanford figure your laughing
because you think you are right, a man incapable of being told that his
way of thinking is an old tessar lens, ( can do the job, but not sharp
enough.) We on the other hand see this misunderstanding differently.
Not good, not bad, no judgement at all, just differently.
Ruddy On Oct 18, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Douglas Shea wrote:
And you presume to know the color of my skin? You presume to know my
feelings towards race and inequality? Banishing the Rebel flag, the
Swastika, relegating otherwise descriptive words to obscurity because of
some vaguely perceived racial bias does no service whatsoever to further any
cause for justice, and does absolutely nothing to change history. I know
very well what my feelings are towards people of every race and throughout
my entire life I have had great sensitivity towards all suffering; people
that know me well would be laughing hysterically at the assertions you have
made (as my wife is at this very moment).
Respectfully, Doug
-----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ruddy Roye Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:54 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: WARNING about Dr. Mark Meijer c/o Global RolleiClub and...Insensitive reactions
Maan as my blood boiled, this email came and rescued me. I am black, and tho I do not need anyone to remind me of that fact, I do expect if nothing else, my feelings as a fellow member of this chat group are respected. As a photog I do not expect everyone to get what I shoot. I can be political in my ideologies and yet someone might come behind me and go hmmm bah humbug. Its cool because what is important to you might not be important to me however, as a human being I know that there are things that have happened to people that I should not repeat insensitively. I do not think that it is being politically correct or incorrect, its just respect. I shoot to tell stories, but I also do so to teach, exchange ideas, show shared and varying ideas. All in all, photography has always brought me to places that have changed my outlook on the world. As a news photographer, I travel extensively to approach photography from a different spiritual experience. The way I photograph in New York is different from how I would photograph in say Brazil or Iran. I do not expect that bigotry or racism will look the same as it did 50-60 years ago. I do not even expect it to go away. These days men and women hide behind their friends and those who support their insensitivity, they hide behind blogs and chat groups and they hide behind their cameras because they for some reason believe that the curse of being black will rub off on them. I believe a MAN SHOULD feel for his fellow man. If I say I hurt, he should want to know why. When this same man prefers instead to stand on the grounds that cause my pain, he says a lot about himself, his family and his ancestors. But what would I know. Black people were once thought to be uneducated duds who were only good for one thing, slavery, building the world, raping, and of course (Doug and BOB)when you were done with them lynch them on the weekend. "That usually bring the mob out......." On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Douglas Shea wrote:
Google is the last, not the first place I would turn to for etymology. Doug
From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RALaubach@xxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:09 PM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: WARNING about Dr. Mark Meijer c/o Global RolleiClub and... nothing political about it at all -- POLITE tho, not politically correct or incorrect - nothing wrong with being sensitive to others. And regardless of the political leanings of Lynchburg or the Lynch brothers or any dictionary definition, i think it is clear that the general association of the word lynching is with african-americans and totally understand the gentleman's reaction and simple wish to be respected. If you google the word lynching, note that all of the photos depict african-americans. note the following google entry about lynching -
The term lynching probably derived from the name Charles Lynch (1736-96), a justice of the peace who administered rough justice in Virginia. Lynching was originally a system of punishment used by whites against African American slaves. However, whites who protested against this were also in danger of being lynched.
so lynching may apply to whites also, but against those whites who protested against the lynching of african americans.
so for y'all who have an argument with Dr. Rollei Scammer, go ahead and mob him, whatever - just leave history in the past
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