[rollei_list] Re: Leicas....

  • From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 19:53:15 -0500

At 05:12 PM 11/16/2013, Jan Decher wrote:
Hi Thor,

I have used both an early M3 and the M6 (first model), You can't beat the viewfinder of the M3, especially if you intend to use the Hektor or Elmar 135mm lenses, because you get more viewfinder magnification in the M3.

However, for an easy to use Leica with 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 and 135mm frames and built-in accurate light meter the M6 is hard to beat. You really get used to those two red diodes in the finder telling you when exposure is on. I have never used the Leicameter with the M3. Only the M6 TTL with its bigger shutter speed ring and separate off position would be an improvement. I should say that my M6 definitely has an inferior chrome finish than the M3.

Unfortunately, I sold my M3 but will probably get another one with a 50mm Summicron should an opportunity arise. I use an excellent old 135mm Elmar and new 4.5/21 and 2.8/35mm C-Biogons on my M6 because I like the Zeiss sharpness, color rendition (and their price!).

Earlier this year I bought a IIIg, which I had CLA'd, but for which I need a decent collapsible Elmar or Summicron screwmount lens. Hard to find one that's not scratched up these days. Love the compact feel of the IIIg.

Jan

I have probably owned as my Leicas as I have Rolliflices over the years. Several comments in response to your fascinating note.

First, I now own a IIIc, a IIIf RDST, a IIIg, an M3 DS, and an M6 Wetzlar. The IIIc was my first, and that is the one they will be peeling from my dead hands once I have crossed the river.

Second, Leica was always a system camera. It was the first system camera, though Franke & Heideicke and Ihagee were not far behind. Zeiss Ikon was slow to work up the Contax RF as a system camera. (Were I to post that on the Zeiss Ikon Collectors' Group, they'd be hanging me in Effigy, a small town outside of Iowa City, Iowa. <that's a joke made from a former custom at US high schools and colleges>.) Leitz developed an almost endless list of doohickies and gee-gaws for its cameras. I have a complete set, for instance, of the reflex housing line, runing from the Prewar PLOOT through the rather obscure Visoflex IIa LTM and M models and finally to the one I use on my M6, though I do not have ALL the lenses, as some were only made in runs of a couple of dozen or so.

Third, Leitz was, until the 1980's, primarily a microscope company and among their proudest products were macro lenses, microscope objectives which generally, but not always, in RMS mount -- the Royal Microscope Society threadmount known in the trade as, 'the Royal Screw', though denizens of the British Isles often fail to see why US citizens murst into laughter at the term. I do not believe that they are still producing these but all of them are fine lenses, the Micro-Summars and the Milars and the later Photars. (As late as a quarter-century back, Leitz still used hand engraving on the lens rings. I have a '26'mm Photar. That possibly resulted from the free beer many German factories serve at lunch. <he grins> There never was a 26mm Photar: it is a 25mm Photar mismarked and what would that be worth to Dr John Austin Field, the foremost scholar of Zeiss technical gear, and perhaps I ought to offer it for sale. The optical companies that handled medical, industrial, and technical lab gear catalogued these separately from their photographic wares, so that you can find, say, Leitz Photars and Carl Zeiss Luminars listed in their technical price lists and not in those for the cameras. (Carl Zeiss made its largest Luminar in a size for which only one adapter set -- two adapters -- was offered for the Contarex SLR system, and this was not in their photographic price list so only the few ever bought them. I own the lens and probably ought to find someone to cobble me up an adapter to fit this to my Ha$$elblad Bellows rig. The point I am making is that there were two parallel systems with Leitz and Ihagee and Zeiss Ikon/Carl Zeiss, and never the twain shall meet. (There is a toast used in years past among the Glawegian poor of Scotland; this was later carried over to become a standard in the United Kingdom's kilted regiments back when they still had such -- 'Here's to us. Who's like us? None but the few, and their all dead." Well, none but the few own the mystic Contarex adapter for this 100mm Luminar and, well, the folks I knew who owned these two adapters are pretty much all dead now.)

Fourth, the overall VF image in an M3 is 35mm, give or take a few gigawatts -- my son often ends his Fracebook postings with, '1.21 Gigawatts', and many of you will miss the allusion -- BACK TO THE FUTURE and all of that. That is, plop a regular (no extraordinary accessory eyes) and then focus in the patch and frame the ENTIRE frame, and you have a pretty fair approximation of the 35mm frame lines. I do have some wicked fast lenses, including a 4.5/21 Zeiss Contarex lens which has been converted to Leica M. No, it is not RF-coupled, but, then, who cares? Depth of field is along the lines of '3 feet to infinity' or the like. Back when I had a darkroom, I didn't worry about the fringes, as I have two grand enlargers and, if I fired them up after a decade, they would probably fry my electrical system but, damn!, I miss my forty years in the dark room.

Fifth, the Leica M4 is grossly over-rated. Nevil Shute once had a character of his, a sheep farmer, who suddenly found himself rich in the wool boom in the late 1940's. He and his wife had been living in abject poverty for twenty years -- she was English and he had met her when he was in the First Australian Expeditionary Force, in 1916 and her parents limited contact once she married him and this sweet English lass spends years of serving sides of mutton to the farm hands, whatever they call them in Oz. Finally, they get some money and become wealthy and it was too late, as her parents were dead, so they never knew that her success was assurrd, thought the joint work of this sheep farm er and his loving wife.. But he takes her to the nearest city -- Melbourne? I've not read the book for a few years. They walk down the street, the man feeling more uneasy as he does not understand urban living. She finally akes her husaand into an art gallery and she buys a small watercolor. The author, Nevil Shute, merely notes that the pictures on dispaly wee modern art lauded by critics who ought to have known better. That really is the tale of the M4, a cammera built so that everything was adjustable which mean that nothing was in adjustment.

I can rattle on at great length about the Leica System as I love it though, to be honest, the pictures of whiich I am proudest are those taken with a Rolleiflex TLR. I do admire Franke & Heidecke aant the successors.

Leica is a grand system camera. The Contax RF could have been a grand syst4em camera but that never developed. Stay happy with your Leica/Leitz gear, folks. It is wonderful stuff. Avoid the over-rated M4. <he grins>

Rolleiflex rules,, in he end ...

Marc



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