[rollei_list] Re: Expired in 1999

  • From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:36:13 -0800


----- Original Message ----- From: "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Expired in 1999


It could be interesting to add that the three or four frames I consider good to use regarding the expired film are from the middle of the roll to the end, perhaps this area was better protected, someway.

Carlos

There are several mechanisms that cause film to deteriorate with time but oxidation is one of them. Generally, tightly wrapped film is less subject to oxidation than if loosely wrapped. So, the film toward the center of a spool will tend to have less effect from oxidation than the film on the outside. Most of the fogging from old film comes from a very slow continuation of the "ripening" effect of the emulsion. The manufacturers got very good about stopping this and extending the life of film without special storage. The commonly heard explanation that the fog is from radiation is true only for the fastest films and those tend to have more chemical fog than slower films so its hard to know what part of the fogging is from what source. If old film is not badly fogged it can be exposed and developed normally. There may be some lose of shadow detail but the fog will tend to affect all densities the same way, something like the anti-halation pigment in 35mm support. One can compensate for it by exposing the film at perhaps 3/4 stop more than the rated speed calls for but that tends to improve shadow detail anyway. A fairly strong anti-foggant such as benzotriazole, can eliminate the fogging and result in clear film where not exposed but it also destroys some sensitivity so requires an increase in exposure anyway. The negatives may look cleaner but will not print any better. Medium speed film like Plus-X or Verichrome Pan will generally still perform pretty well ten years after it expires provided it was not exposed to high temperatures during storage. Low temperatures slow all chemical reactions so freezing either B&W or color film will extend its life substantially. Film which has been exposed is subject to loss of the latent image as well as fogging. Anti-fogging agents will further destroy some of the latent image so should never be used. There are special techniques for recovering the images from film which was exposed long in the past. I don't know the details of any of them but understand that one approach is to use a very power developer, like a lithographic developer, at very low temperatures. I've used Verichrome Pan which was more than ten years out of date with reasonably good results but not as good as it was new. Again, the faster the film the more likely it is to have become badly fogged. Also, the chemistry of film has changed in the fairly recent past and I am not certain that current product is as resistant to aging as it was perhaps thirty years ago. Color film has different effects from B&W although its B&W silver film to start with. In order to reproduce color well the contrast and range of the emulsions must match properly, since those characteristics change with age old color film will likely have color shifts well before it becomes excessively fogged. The same comments with regard to the loss of latent image with time apply to color film.


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Richard Knoppow
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