Hi Greg, your point is well taken regarding the error in the mistyped message submitted by Charles Oppermann. It is indeed an unfortunate situation where we live in a world in which we are all forced to become security experts because of the inadequacies in the Windows operating system. I should have qualified my earlier message to suggest that using and applying automatic updates in Windows is probably a good idea for the vast majority of computer users. Most people will simply not take the time to annalyze the nature and scope of these constant updates, not install them, and leave their computers open to worms and spyware used typically to turn their machines into zombies sending out thousands of spam messages without their knowledge, or, to perform other nefarious tasks on the Internet. Since this is a computer mailing list, the majority of our members are more savvy than the typical PC user. Examining and selectively installing updates is well within the abilities of many of our list members. I can think of one such recent update that installed a component called Windows Genuine Advantage, which was really only an advantage for Microsoft. This component attempts to ensure that your copy of Windows is legitimate, and if it is not, phones home to Redmond. Problem is, there are lots of false positives, there are plenty of licensed copies of Windows that have been reported as pirated copies. This update was definitely not a desirable one. Thanks for your well articulated message. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Epley Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:56 AM To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: Accessible Devices Important InformationAbout Upcoming I E 7 Release Especially For Jaws Users I realize that everyone makes mistakes, but I couldn't help noticing how Charles Oppermann at Microsoft's applying makeup to software now... "This is an important means of preventing the spread of viruses and other rouge programs over the Internet." Rouge programs? This is the problem with simply spell checking one's work as opposed to reading it for proper context, which even a grammer checker fails miserably at many times. I believe he meant "rogue" programs, but I laughed out loud when I was listening to the message and learned I was apparently supposed to be applying makeup to my programs now. Everybody's entitled to mistakes, but this is yet another example of how MS is so big for its britches that things like this reach the general public and sour the company's reputation for many. Speed is of the essence, but if you produce output at high speed that's got some problems in it, what have you really accomplished, except to rapidly distribute something with a lot of bugs or problems in it? This is one spelling error, yes, but it's just a flashlight shone on a much larger problem, such as a company that charges several hundred dollars for an operating system with more security holes in it than swiss cheese. The stuff's obviously being written for speedy release over good solid function. Personally I like seeing what Microsoft's doing to my machine rather than just blindly trusting them, so I have Automatic Updates set to either notify me without downloading or download and notify me without installing. BTW, I've set this on some machines and then had it mysteriously revert back to automatically download and install, so users should periodically check this setting to make sure it hasn't been turned back on automatic. -Greg Epley Thinkzo Systems Web: http://www.thinkzo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Fettgather" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: Accessible Devices Important InformationAbout Upcoming I E 7 Release Especially For Jaws Users Hi to the list. Charles Opperman of Microsoft has written the following message to the GuiTalk mailing list regarding the unwise practice of turning off automatic updates and the compatibility of Internet Explorer 7. True enough, it is not compatible with all current versions of all screen readers, but you will be prompted as to whether or not you want this specific update. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Oppermann" <chuckop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fw: Accessible Devices Important InformationAbout Upcoming I E 7 Release Especially For Jaws Users This is awful advice and is ignorant of the facts. Yes, the new Internet Explorer 7 will be offered as a high-priority update. If Windows Update is set to automatically download and install high priority updates, then the user will be prompted to install IE7. There will be three choices, "Install", "Don't Install", and "Ask Me Later." The important thing here is that if you don't want it, you don't have to have install it. To be clear, IE7 will not automatically be installed unless the user confirms their choice. The reason it is being offered as a high priority update (as opposed to a normal update) is because a slew of new security features. Microsoft wants to ensure that as many people as possible are made aware of the new version and can choose to install it. When installed, all the users' preferences are retained, including favorites, cookies, search engine preference and many others. An important caveat is that computers managed by IT departments at larger organizations can force the update if they choose to as part of a corporate-wide policy. Please do not turn off the automatic installation of high priority updates in Windows Update. This is an important means of preventing the spread of viruses and other rouge programs over the Internet. For more information on the availability of IE7 through Windows Update, including a review of the choices mentioned above, visit the following web site: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/windowsupdate/ie7annou ncement.mspx A low-graphics version which might be easier to read by screen reader users can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/windowsupdate/ie7annou ncement.mspx?pf=3Dtrue If you have any questions, please let me know. Charles Oppermann / Program Manager / Speech Components / Microsoft Corporation http://blogs.msdn.com/chuckop/ To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go=20 to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes