from what I found the contact is >>> Sarah Herrlinger she was at this years CSNU cConferince. I am working on getting her contact info. will post it asap unless someone els beets me to it. she was contacted by Curtis Chong, President >>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science >>> Jose Lopez, President Lopez Language Services, LLC "We Speak Your Language" Call us anytime at 888.824.3022 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine McDonald" <cmcdonald.cei@xxxxxxxxx> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility > >> Does anyone have a contact for apple, an email or address, where we can >> write to thank Apple for all their efforts on behalf of the blind? >> >> Kim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jose >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:22 AM >> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >> >> I think we can all contact Apple and thank them for all of there efforts. >> I don't like hammering away at a company that is trying to do the Wright >> thing by us, just because it's the Wright thing to do. >> >> No one likes a mandate. >> >> They seldom work. >> >> My late friend Hays showed me that if you steam roll somebody it will >> do >> what a steam roller does. It will harden them to your views. >> >> I've got to ask myself what message did the N.F.B. want to convey to >> Apple? >> Sited people are so afraid to piss off the Blind. We must tread vary >> lightly when asking for help. No one wants to help you if your putting a >> gun to there heads. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose Lopez, President >> Lopez Language Services, LLC >> >> "We Speak Your Language" >> Call us anytime at 888.824.3022 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD" <morrowka@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:52 AM >> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >> >> >>> Jose I'm completely with you on this one. And--will this effort on the >>> part of NFB motivate Apple to do more for the blind? I hardly think so. >>> They will sadly g from wanting to, to "having" to. And that could ruin >>> Apple's attitude for all of us. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jose >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:41 AM >>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>> >>> with all do respect to any one reading this who happends to be an N.F.B. >>> member. >>> >>> I was so happy as I red this thred. I was holppful that the N.F.B. was >>> willing to allow a company (in this case apple.) a chance to work >>> towards >>> responding to the request with out the N.F.B. taking them to cort >>> right >>> out of the gate. >>> >>> After reading threw this linthy thred I am sad to say I was wrong. >>> >>> As I see this, N.F.B. emaileds apple outlining the problem with apps >>> that >>> can't be fully used with voice over. N.F.B. also informes apple >>> regarding >>> Resolution >>>> 2011-03, passed at this year's National Federation of the Blind >>>> Convention. I found that to be varry respectful and not threatening. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then Apple responds with the steps there taking to fix this problem. >>> >>> Then N.F.B. comes back with an email that to me sounds varry respectful >>> and pasitive at first. >>> >>> I was all for this effert tell I got to the final statement. >>> >>> It sounds like the N.F.B. is putting apple on notice that they had >>> better >>> bring in the N.F.B. for apple to better understand the problem and how >>> it >>> should be fix. Apple has according to this varry email from the N.F.B. >>> done wonderful work towards making there programs usable by all. >>> >>> Ok, sorry for the long preambel. >>> >>> Heres where the N.F.B. lost my respect in this effert. >>> >>> Like you, we believe in the power of education and encouragement--when >>> they >>>> produce the desired result. However, we believe that there are some >>>> instances where encouragement alone is not enough. Some things simply >>>> must be required if they are to be implemented. This is why Apple and >>>> the National Federation of the Blind need to enter into discussions so >>>> that we can come to an agreement as to what extent requirements need >>>> to be applied to the question of accessibility and compatibility with >>>> VoiceOver. >>> >>> >>> Thats the end of the text I am speeking of. >>> DEAR N.F.B. >>> >>> I with as much respect as I can say this, would like to remind you >>> that >>> Apple is a Business, as such they are able to run it any way they see >>> fit. >>> While there are some things that are required. There in no way >>> required >>> to work with any group. >>> >>> I wonder what the next step wil be from the N.F.B. Should Apple say >>> thanks but no thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jose Lopez, President >>> Lopez Language Services, LLC >>> >>> "We Speak Your Language" >>> Call us anytime at 888.824.3022 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:37 PM >>> Subject: [real-eyes] Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>> >>> >>>> This is just a little something I thought you'd like to see how the NFB >>>> is >>>> working with Apple and I think it also shows that the NFB is really >>>> tackling >>>> issues that are relevant to what is going on in the world today. >>>> >>>> Everette Bacon >>>> >>> "Curtis Chong" <curtischong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:curtischong%40earthlink.net>> 9/25/2011 10:12 AM >>> >>>> Greetings: >>>> >>>> On September 10, 2011, I sent an email to Apple regarding Resolution >>>> 2011-03, passed at this year's National Federation of the Blind >>>> Convention. >>>> As you may know, Resolution 2011-03 expresses disappointment with Apple >>>> for >>>> permitting applications to be released which contains controls that are >>>> not >>>> accessible to VoiceOver users and calls upon Apple to work with the >>>> National >>>> Federation of the Blind to develop a set of requirements for >>>> accessibility. >>>> >>>> The key word here is "requirements." There is little doubt that Apple >>>> has >>>> done an excellent job of educating and encouraging app developers to >>>> incorporate accessibility features into their software. Apple is also >>>> making a change, to be released with iOS 5, which allows the end user >>>> to >>>> apply custom labels to user interface elements so that VoiceOver can >>>> identify them. It is also evident that many app developers are >>>> responding >>>> affirmatively to Apple's efforts and are voluntarily incorporating >>>> accessibility features into their software. There is, however, some >>>> disagreement about whether or not it is appropriate to impose >>>> requirements >>>> of any form which compel app developers to do the right thing. What the >>>> resolution says is that Apple is clearly not shy about imposing other >>>> requirements before permitting apps to be released. Why not negotiate >>>> with >>>> the blind to come up with a set of requirements for accessibility? >>>> >>>> In any case, here is the chain of correspondence, presented in >>>> chronological >>>> order, for your information. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> >>>> Curtis Chong, President >>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science >>>> >>>> From: Curtis Chong >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: Chris Becherer; Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Subject: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in >>>> Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Chris and Sarah: >>>> >>>> On July 7, 2011, at its 71st annual convention, the National Federation >>>> of >>>> the Blind adopted Resolution 2011-03 (copy attached). In summary, this >>>> resolution express its "frustration and deep disappointment with Apple >>>> for >>>> allowing the release of applications that contain icons, buttons, and >>>> other >>>> controls that cannot be identified by the blind user of VoiceOver, >>>> thereby >>>> rendering them nonvisually inaccessible." >>>> >>>> This is a follow up to my correspondence with the two of you earlier >>>> this >>>> year in which I indicated that this issue would be considered by the >>>> National Federation of the Blind at its national convention. As you >>>> see, >>>> the convention did consider this issue, and did decide to pass the >>>> attached >>>> resolution. >>>> >>>> I sincerely hope that Apple will consider the points raised in the >>>> attached >>>> resolution and take meaningful action to address the concerns it >>>> raises. >>>> >>>> Thank you kindly for your attention to this matter. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> >>>> Curtis Chong, President >>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science >>>> >>>> Resolution 2011-03 >>>> Regarding the Lack of Accessibility Requirements in Apple Products >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple has made VoiceOver, a free and powerful screen access >>>> program, an integral part of many of its products, including the Apple >>>> Macintosh, the iPhone, the iPod Touch, Apple TV, and the iPad; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, VoiceOver has the potential of offering unprecedented >>>> nonvisual access to thousands, if not tens of thousands, of >>>> applications >>>> that are today available for these platforms; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, through presentations at developer conferences, specific >>>> guidance issued through programming guides, and application programming >>>> interfaces that are simple to implement, Apple has made it relatively >>>> easy >>>> for application developers to incorporate basic accessibility features >>>> in >>>> their programs for VoiceOver users; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple has clearly stated its desire to provide accessible >>>> products to blind people and has even received an award from the >>>> National >>>> Federation of the Blind for its work in making its products accessible >>>> to >>>> the blind; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, despite Apple's efforts to encourage accessibility by such >>>> examples as publishing a wealth of information providing clear and >>>> unambiguous guidance to application developers to help them make their >>>> software accessible to VoiceOver users, too many applications are still >>>> not >>>> accessible to the blind because of buttons that are not properly >>>> labeled, >>>> icons whose meanings cannot be understood, and images of text which >>>> VoiceOver cannot interpret; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, one example of an application with controls that are not >>>> accessible to the blind is the AT&T Navigator, which contains several >>>> screens with buttons that VoiceOver identifies only as "Button"; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, labeling buttons, menus, checkboxes, and other controls so >>>> that VoiceOver can identify them is neither a technological >>>> impossibility >>>> nor an unreasonably costly effort, and even the most visually intensive >>>> application should have menus, buttons, and other controls that can be >>>> operated nonvisually; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple is not shy about placing requirements and >>>> prohibitions on application developers: for example, developers who use >>>> their applications to sell products must turn over a percentage of >>>> their >>>> sales to Apple, and application developers cannot display an >>>> application-specific desktop; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, regrettably Apple does not require application developers >>>> to make their applications accessible to users of its VoiceOver >>>> program; >>>> and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, accessibility to all users of Apple products should be as >>>> important as the other criteria on which Apple bases its decisions to >>>> accept >>>> or reject applications: Now, therefore, >>>> >>>> BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention >>>> assembled this seventh day of July, 2011, in the city of Orlando, >>>> Florida, >>>> that this organization express its frustration and deep disappointment >>>> with >>>> Apple for allowing the release of applications that contain icons, >>>> buttons, >>>> and other controls that cannot be identified by the blind user of >>>> VoiceOver, >>>> thereby rendering them nonvisually inaccessible; and >>>> >>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this organization urge Apple, in the >>>> strongest possible terms, to work with the National Federation of the >>>> Blind >>>> to create and enforce a set of requirements for accessibility that >>>> will, >>>> at >>>> a minimum, compel application developers to label buttons, menus, >>>> icons, >>>> selection lists, checkboxes, and other controls so that VoiceOver users >>>> can >>>> identify and operate them. >>>> >>>> From: Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:22 PM >>>> To: Curtis Chong >>>> Cc: Chris Becherer >>>> Subject: Re: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Curtis, >>>> >>>> Apologies for the delayed response -- I've been on vacation for the >>>> last >>>> 2 >>>> weeks. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for sending this on. As always, we greatly >>>> appreciate >>>> the NFB's feedback and will continue to share this with both the App >>>> Store >>>> and the Accessibility teams. >>>> >>>> We'd like to reiterate some of the previous points made as well as to >>>> bring >>>> you up to speed on some recent additions: >>>> >>>> 1) The iOS SDK has the basic foundation for making apps >>>> VoiceOver-compatible built directly into the source code. >>>> 2) Late last year, we sent out an article to every registered iOS >>>> developer on the ease and value of making apps VoiceOver compatible >>>> including links to the Accessibility Programming Guide. >>>> 3) For the last three Apple Worldwide Developers Conferences, we've run >>>> multiple sessions and follow-up labs on making applications VoiceOver >>>> compatible for both the Mac and iOS devices that have been very well >>>> attended. >>>> 4) Since then, our Developer Relations team has worked one on one with >>>> developers to continually educate them on the importance of >>>> accessibility >>>> and provide tips, documentation, links to videos, code examples and >>>> examples >>>> of other developers who have had great success with making their apps >>>> accessible all in an effort to make it as easy as possible for them to >>>> ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> 5) We've added a new VoiceOver feature in our upcoming release of iOS 5 >>>> that allows users to apply custom labels to UI elements in their >>>> favorite >>>> third-party apps. This way, even if the developer has not labeled their >>>> buttons in a VoiceOver-compatible way, users have the ability to do >>>> this >>>> directly. This won't slow our efforts encouraging developers to build >>>> compatible apps using all the strategies outlined above, but we think >>>> it >>>> will be a really useful feature for VoiceOver users. >>>> >>>> We will continue to invest time and resources into educating our >>>> developer >>>> community about accessibility in general, and specifically messaging >>>> what >>>> they can do to ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Thank you again for your continued support, >>>> >>>> Sarah >>>> >>>> From: Curtis Chong >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:41 PM >>>> To: Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Cc: Chris Becherer >>>> Subject: RE: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Sarah: >>>> >>>> Thank you for your September 23, 2011 response to my email. I very much >>>> appreciate your willingness to keep our lines of communication open. >>>> >>>> In your response, you mention some very encouraging aspects of Apple's >>>> efforts to promote accessibility and VoiceOver compatibility, among >>>> them: >>>> >>>> 1. that the iOS SDK has the basic foundation for making apps >>>> VoiceOver-compatible built directly into the source code; >>>> >>>> 2. that late last year, you sent out an article to every registered iOS >>>> developer on the ease and value of making apps VoiceOver compatible >>>> including links to the Accessibility Programming Guide; >>>> >>>> 3. that during the last three Apple Worldwide Developers Conferences, >>>> you ran multiple sessions and follow-up labs on making applications >>>> VoiceOver compatible for both the Mac and iOS devices--sessions that >>>> were >>>> very well attended; and >>>> >>>> 4. that since then, your Developer Relations team has worked one on one >>>> with developers to continually educate them on the importance of >>>> accessibility and provide tips, documentation, links to videos, code >>>> examples and examples of other developers who have had great success >>>> with >>>> making their apps accessible--all in an effort to make it as easy as >>>> possible for them to ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I hope that you understand that we in the National Federation of the >>>> Blind >>>> in Computer Science have no doubt whatsoever as to your commitment to >>>> accessibility by the blind to Apple products. In this context, we (like >>>> you) are particularly encouraged by the new VoiceOver feature in your >>>> upcoming release of iOS 5 that will allow users to "apply custom labels >>>> to >>>> UI elements in their favorite third-party apps." As you say, this will >>>> make >>>> it possible for users to label many buttons and controls for >>>> themselves, >>>> thereby alleviating some accessibility problems. >>>> >>>> As I have been saying all along, Apple is doing a very good job of >>>> "encouraging" app developers to do the right thing. Our views diverge >>>> when >>>> the question of accessibility requirements is raised. If you will go >>>> back >>>> to the resolution adopted by the National Federation of the Blind at >>>> its >>>> 2011 Convention, the last Resolve reads: >>>> >>>> "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this organization urge Apple, >>>> in the strongest possible terms, to work with the National Federation >>>> of >>>> the >>>> Blind to create and enforce a set of requirements for accessibility >>>> that >>>> will, at a minimum, compel application developers to label buttons, >>>> menus, >>>> icons, selection lists, checkboxes, and other controls so that >>>> VoiceOver >>>> users can identify and operate them." >>>> >>>> Like you, we believe in the power of education and encouragement--when >>>> they >>>> produce the desired result. However, we believe that there are some >>>> instances where encouragement alone is not enough. Some things simply >>>> must >>>> be required if they are to be implemented. This is why Apple and the >>>> National Federation of the Blind need to enter into discussions so that >>>> we >>>> can come to an agreement as to what extent requirements need to be >>>> applied >>>> to the question of accessibility and compatibility with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Again, thank you for keeping the lines of communication open and for >>>> the >>>> encouraging news about upcoming changes in iOS 5 and VoiceOver. 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Unsubscribe >>>> <mailto:atthemarket-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=Unsubscribe> . >>>> Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >>>> . >>>> >>>> __,_._,___ >>>> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription >>>> options, >>>> go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jose Lopez, President >>> Lopez Language Services, LLC >>> >>> "We Speak Your Language" >>> Call us anytime at 888.824.3022 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:36 PM >>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>> >>> >>>>I see what you mean, but if Apple is making VO a built-in part of their >>>> software, then shouldn't all apps work with that built-in software? >>>> Just >>>> as >>>> all apps should work with the screen specifications of the iDevice they >>>> were >>>> advertised for? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Mitchell D. Lynn >>>> Sent: September 26, 2011 7:24 PM >>>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>>> >>>> I agree it would be nice if apps were labeled as VO-friendly, but I >>>> fail >>>> to >>>> see any reason why developers should be required to make their apps >>>> accessible to VO. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar >>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:05 PM >>>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>>> >>>> I agree. And developers are variable in their efforts to make their >>>> apps >>>> accessible. Hopefully something from Apple will have enough teeth to >>>> produce >>>> results. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD >>>> Sent: September 26, 2011 2:03 PM >>>> To: 'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >>>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>>> >>>> I really appreciated this article. If anything, the Itunes Store needs >>>> to >>>> indicate whether or not an app is accessible via voice over. I cannot >>>> count >>>> the number of times I have purchased an app, only to discover that I >>>> cannot >>>> use it. This alone would go a long way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD >>>> Communications Specialist >>>> Unity >>>> Message of Hope Ministry >>>> 1901 NW Blue Parkway >>>> Unity Village, MO 64065 >>>> Toll Free: 866-421-3066 >>>> Local: 816-251-3588 >>>> M-F, 7:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. (CT) >>>> >>>> >>>> www.unity.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Claudia >>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:37 PM >>>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [real-eyes] Correspondence With Apple About Accessibility >>>> >>>> This is just a little something I thought you'd like to see how the NFB >>>> is >>>> working with Apple and I think it also shows that the NFB is really >>>> tackling >>>> issues that are relevant to what is going on in the world today. >>>> >>>> Everette Bacon >>>> >>> "Curtis Chong" <curtischong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:curtischong%40earthlink.net>> 9/25/2011 10:12 AM >>> >>>> Greetings: >>>> >>>> On September 10, 2011, I sent an email to Apple regarding Resolution >>>> 2011-03, passed at this year's National Federation of the Blind >>>> Convention. >>>> As you may know, Resolution 2011-03 expresses disappointment with Apple >>>> for >>>> permitting applications to be released which contains controls that are >>>> not >>>> accessible to VoiceOver users and calls upon Apple to work with the >>>> National >>>> Federation of the Blind to develop a set of requirements for >>>> accessibility. >>>> >>>> The key word here is "requirements." There is little doubt that Apple >>>> has >>>> done an excellent job of educating and encouraging app developers to >>>> incorporate accessibility features into their software. Apple is also >>>> making >>>> a change, to be released with iOS 5, which allows the end user to apply >>>> custom labels to user interface elements so that VoiceOver can identify >>>> them. It is also evident that many app developers are responding >>>> affirmatively to Apple's efforts and are voluntarily incorporating >>>> accessibility features into their software. There is, however, some >>>> disagreement about whether or not it is appropriate to impose >>>> requirements >>>> of any form which compel app developers to do the right thing. What the >>>> resolution says is that Apple is clearly not shy about imposing other >>>> requirements before permitting apps to be released. Why not negotiate >>>> with >>>> the blind to come up with a set of requirements for accessibility? >>>> >>>> In any case, here is the chain of correspondence, presented in >>>> chronological >>>> order, for your information. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> >>>> Curtis Chong, President >>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science >>>> >>>> From: Curtis Chong >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: Chris Becherer; Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Subject: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in >>>> Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Chris and Sarah: >>>> >>>> On July 7, 2011, at its 71st annual convention, the National Federation >>>> of >>>> the Blind adopted Resolution 2011-03 (copy attached). In summary, this >>>> resolution express its "frustration and deep disappointment with Apple >>>> for >>>> allowing the release of applications that contain icons, buttons, and >>>> other >>>> controls that cannot be identified by the blind user of VoiceOver, >>>> thereby >>>> rendering them nonvisually inaccessible." >>>> >>>> This is a follow up to my correspondence with the two of you earlier >>>> this >>>> year in which I indicated that this issue would be considered by the >>>> National Federation of the Blind at its national convention. As you >>>> see, >>>> the >>>> convention did consider this issue, and did decide to pass the attached >>>> resolution. >>>> >>>> I sincerely hope that Apple will consider the points raised in the >>>> attached >>>> resolution and take meaningful action to address the concerns it >>>> raises. >>>> >>>> Thank you kindly for your attention to this matter. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> >>>> Curtis Chong, President >>>> National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science >>>> >>>> Resolution 2011-03 >>>> Regarding the Lack of Accessibility Requirements in Apple Products >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple has made VoiceOver, a free and powerful screen access >>>> program, an integral part of many of its products, including the Apple >>>> Macintosh, the iPhone, the iPod Touch, Apple TV, and the iPad; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, VoiceOver has the potential of offering unprecedented >>>> nonvisual >>>> access to thousands, if not tens of thousands, of applications that are >>>> today available for these platforms; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, through presentations at developer conferences, specific >>>> guidance >>>> issued through programming guides, and application programming >>>> interfaces >>>> that are simple to implement, Apple has made it relatively easy for >>>> application developers to incorporate basic accessibility features in >>>> their >>>> programs for VoiceOver users; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple has clearly stated its desire to provide accessible >>>> products >>>> to blind people and has even received an award from the National >>>> Federation >>>> of the Blind for its work in making its products accessible to the >>>> blind; >>>> and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, despite Apple's efforts to encourage accessibility by such >>>> examples >>>> as publishing a wealth of information providing clear and unambiguous >>>> guidance to application developers to help them make their software >>>> accessible to VoiceOver users, too many applications are still not >>>> accessible to the blind because of buttons that are not properly >>>> labeled, >>>> icons whose meanings cannot be understood, and images of text which >>>> VoiceOver cannot interpret; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, one example of an application with controls that are not >>>> accessible >>>> to the blind is the AT&T Navigator, which contains several screens with >>>> buttons that VoiceOver identifies only as "Button"; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, labeling buttons, menus, checkboxes, and other controls so >>>> that >>>> VoiceOver can identify them is neither a technological impossibility >>>> nor >>>> an >>>> unreasonably costly effort, and even the most visually intensive >>>> application >>>> should have menus, buttons, and other controls that can be operated >>>> nonvisually; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, Apple is not shy about placing requirements and prohibitions >>>> on >>>> application developers: for example, developers who use their >>>> applications >>>> to sell products must turn over a percentage of their sales to Apple, >>>> and >>>> application developers cannot display an application-specific desktop; >>>> and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, regrettably Apple does not require application developers to >>>> make >>>> their applications accessible to users of its VoiceOver program; and >>>> >>>> WHEREAS, accessibility to all users of Apple products should be as >>>> important >>>> as the other criteria on which Apple bases its decisions to accept or >>>> reject >>>> applications: Now, therefore, >>>> >>>> BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention >>>> assembled this seventh day of July, 2011, in the city of Orlando, >>>> Florida, >>>> that this organization express its frustration and deep disappointment >>>> with >>>> Apple for allowing the release of applications that contain icons, >>>> buttons, >>>> and other controls that cannot be identified by the blind user of >>>> VoiceOver, >>>> thereby rendering them nonvisually inaccessible; and >>>> >>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this organization urge Apple, in the >>>> strongest >>>> possible terms, to work with the National Federation of the Blind to >>>> create >>>> and enforce a set of requirements for accessibility that will, at a >>>> minimum, >>>> compel application developers to label buttons, menus, icons, selection >>>> lists, checkboxes, and other controls so that VoiceOver users can >>>> identify >>>> and operate them. >>>> >>>> From: Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:22 PM >>>> To: Curtis Chong >>>> Cc: Chris Becherer >>>> Subject: Re: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Curtis, >>>> >>>> Apologies for the delayed response -- I've been on vacation for the >>>> last >>>> 2 >>>> weeks. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for sending this on. As always, we greatly >>>> appreciate >>>> the NFB's feedback and will continue to share this with both the App >>>> Store >>>> and the Accessibility teams. >>>> >>>> We'd like to reiterate some of the previous points made as well as to >>>> bring >>>> you up to speed on some recent additions: >>>> >>>> 1) The iOS SDK has the basic foundation for making apps >>>> VoiceOver-compatible >>>> built directly into the source code. >>>> 2) Late last year, we sent out an article to every registered iOS >>>> developer >>>> on the ease and value of making apps VoiceOver compatible including >>>> links >>>> to >>>> the Accessibility Programming Guide. >>>> 3) For the last three Apple Worldwide Developers Conferences, we've run >>>> multiple sessions and follow-up labs on making applications VoiceOver >>>> compatible for both the Mac and iOS devices that have been very well >>>> attended. >>>> 4) Since then, our Developer Relations team has worked one on one with >>>> developers to continually educate them on the importance of >>>> accessibility >>>> and provide tips, documentation, links to videos, code examples and >>>> examples >>>> of other developers who have had great success with making their apps >>>> accessible all in an effort to make it as easy as possible for them to >>>> ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> 5) We've added a new VoiceOver feature in our upcoming release of iOS 5 >>>> that >>>> allows users to apply custom labels to UI elements in their favorite >>>> third-party apps. This way, even if the developer has not labeled their >>>> buttons in a VoiceOver-compatible way, users have the ability to do >>>> this >>>> directly. This won't slow our efforts encouraging developers to build >>>> compatible apps using all the strategies outlined above, but we think >>>> it >>>> will be a really useful feature for VoiceOver users. >>>> >>>> We will continue to invest time and resources into educating our >>>> developer >>>> community about accessibility in general, and specifically messaging >>>> what >>>> they can do to ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Thank you again for your continued support, >>>> >>>> Sarah >>>> >>>> From: Curtis Chong >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:41 PM >>>> To: Sarah Herrlinger >>>> Cc: Chris Becherer >>>> Subject: RE: NFB Resolution Regarding the Lack of Accessibility >>>> Requirements >>>> in Apple Products >>>> >>>> Dear Sarah: >>>> >>>> Thank you for your September 23, 2011 response to my email. I very much >>>> appreciate your willingness to keep our lines of communication open. >>>> >>>> In your response, you mention some very encouraging aspects of Apple's >>>> efforts to promote accessibility and VoiceOver compatibility, among >>>> them: >>>> >>>> 1. that the iOS SDK has the basic foundation for making apps >>>> VoiceOver-compatible built directly into the source code; >>>> >>>> 2. that late last year, you sent out an article to every registered iOS >>>> developer on the ease and value of making apps VoiceOver compatible >>>> including links to the Accessibility Programming Guide; >>>> >>>> 3. that during the last three Apple Worldwide Developers Conferences, >>>> you >>>> ran multiple sessions and follow-up labs on making applications >>>> VoiceOver >>>> compatible for both the Mac and iOS devices--sessions that were very >>>> well >>>> attended; and >>>> >>>> 4. that since then, your Developer Relations team has worked one on one >>>> with >>>> developers to continually educate them on the importance of >>>> accessibility >>>> and provide tips, documentation, links to videos, code examples and >>>> examples >>>> of other developers who have had great success with making their apps >>>> accessible--all in an effort to make it as easy as possible for them to >>>> ensure their apps are compatible with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I hope that you understand that we in the National Federation of the >>>> Blind >>>> in Computer Science have no doubt whatsoever as to your commitment to >>>> accessibility by the blind to Apple products. In this context, we (like >>>> you) are particularly encouraged by the new VoiceOver feature in your >>>> upcoming release of iOS 5 that will allow users to "apply custom labels >>>> to >>>> UI elements in their favorite third-party apps." As you say, this will >>>> make >>>> it possible for users to label many buttons and controls for >>>> themselves, >>>> thereby alleviating some accessibility problems. >>>> >>>> As I have been saying all along, Apple is doing a very good job of >>>> "encouraging" app developers to do the right thing. Our views diverge >>>> when >>>> the question of accessibility requirements is raised. If you will go >>>> back >>>> to >>>> the resolution adopted by the National Federation of the Blind at its >>>> 2011 Convention, the last Resolve reads: >>>> >>>> "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this organization urge Apple, in the >>>> strongest >>>> possible terms, to work with the National Federation of the Blind to >>>> create >>>> and enforce a set of requirements for accessibility that will, at a >>>> minimum, >>>> compel application developers to label buttons, menus, icons, selection >>>> lists, checkboxes, and other controls so that VoiceOver users can >>>> identify >>>> and operate them." >>>> >>>> Like you, we believe in the power of education and encouragement--when >>>> they >>>> produce the desired result. However, we believe that there are some >>>> instances where encouragement alone is not enough. Some things simply >>>> must >>>> be required if they are to be implemented. This is why Apple and the >>>> National Federation of the Blind need to enter into discussions so that >>>> we >>>> can come to an agreement as to what extent requirements need to be >>>> applied >>>> to the question of accessibility and compatibility with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Again, thank you for keeping the lines of communication open and for >>>> the >>>> encouraging news about upcoming changes in iOS 5 and VoiceOver. 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