Try Camera Exchange in Waterford, MI near Pontiac. The store is less than 2
yrs. old, and employs former staff of Camera Mart which (sadly) closed its
doors about 3 years ago.
Marty
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pure-silver Digest Tue, 17 Jul 2018 Volume: 05 Issue: 064
In This Issue:
[pure-silver] Re: Enlarger lenses
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Enlarger lenses
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] used store for darkroom equipment
[pure-silver] Re: used store for darkroom equipment
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: used store for darkroom equipment
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
[pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
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From: "Laurence Cuffe" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "cuffe"
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Enlarger lenses
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:28:31 +0000 (GMT)
I put a mask into the back of a 'cord once, which reduced the image area to a
strip 1cm. by 6cm. I could take about three images per 6x6 "frame". It was
just an experiment, but it was fun. You could do this with the cord I had,
because there is no connection between winding on and setting the shutter.
This would not be possible with a /flex.
Best
Laurence Cuffe
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On Jul 17, 2018, at 02:00 AM, Richard Lahrson <gtripspud@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
plus pano can be 6x12 or even 6x18, i think Linhof makes a holder.
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 5:49 PM, `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Also half frame 2-1/4 x 1-1/8 AKA 6x4.5 Used to be box cameras in this
format also the Mamiya 645 and the original Exakta. I think there is also an
adapter for the Rolleiflex (16 frames per roll). So there is the half frame,
6x6, 6x7.5, 6x9 and panoramic. I think 6x7.5 originated with the old Omega
camera and is also found on the Calumet 120 roll adapter for 4x5 sheet film
cameras. I think Singer/Graflex also made a roll adapter for this format.
Anyway, lots of formats from 120 film.
On 7/16/2018 4:06 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 07/16/2018 04:46 PM, Robert Marvin wrote:
"6X6' and "120" and don't forget 2 1/4 X 2 1/4 :-)
But 120 can also be shot as 6x7 or 6x9 (2 1/4 x 3 1/4) or
6xSomePanoramicFormat.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:25:53 -0800
From: Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
The praise for film does not go unnoticed by me. The recent discussion about
formats (35mm vs 6.45 and 6x6) causes me to wonder about the devotion to
Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a 120 film format
shot with a 'blad or, in my case, Mamiya 645 for print quality. That is not
my Leica M6 to which I refer!
-----Original Message-----
From: dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:22 -0700
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Speaking of film...
Not that I think I need to make amends for starting a thread about
water, since it's a pretty key element of processing. But, about film...
Recently I made it point to start shooting film more often. Initially,
that meant loading-up long past-date rolls of 400TMY and taking snapshots
of cars in the driveway... changing bag, daylight tank, fresh chems,
renewing my processing muscle memory. Into the LS9000 (*) and then I
thought:
Gosh, film is beautiful.
There's something about committing photons directly to silver halide
that Just. Looks. Terrific.
That is all.
Cheers and 73,
Dana K6JQ
*Yes, Nikon LS9000. I've also been mostly shooting with a P&S
GA645. Different topics entirely, though.
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From: Richard Lahrson <gtripspud@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:33:54 -0700
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
Yeah, recently watched a film on Paul Strand, and there's
a scene when he's old and can hardly see, shooting
with a Mamiya twin lens.
rich
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The praise for film does not go unnoticed by me. The recent discussion
about formats (35mm vs 6.45 and 6x6) causes me to wonder about the devotion
to Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a 120 film
format shot with a 'blad or, in my case, Mamiya 645 for print quality. That
is not my Leica M6 to which I refer!
-----Original Message-----=================================================
From: dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:22 -0700
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Speaking of film...
Not that I think I need to make amends for starting a thread about
water, since it's a pretty key element of processing. But, about film...
Recently I made it point to start shooting film more often. Initially,
that meant loading-up long past-date rolls of 400TMY and taking snapshots
of cars in the driveway... changing bag, daylight tank, fresh chems,
renewing my processing muscle memory. Into the LS9000 (*) and then I
thought:
Gosh, film is beautiful.
There's something about committing photons directly to silver halide
that Just. Looks. Terrific.
That is all.
Cheers and 73,
Dana K6JQ
*Yes, Nikon LS9000. I've also been mostly shooting with a P&S
GA645. Different topics entirely, though.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "bobkiss caribsurf.com" <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
DEAR LES,
One of the murals (40X60 inches) in my 2013 celebrity show was of Rudolf
Nureyev which I shot with my Leica and a really lovely 50 mm Sumicron. Were I
rich I would have dumped my Nikons and geared up with Leicas because, though
they are slooooooooooooooow to load compared to Nikons, the Leitz optics are
truly superior to Nikkors. But I just didn't have that kinda $. Anyhow, that
mural print is really nice but cannot hold a candle to the prints of the same
size made from my 6X6 negs shot with my 'Blad with either the 120 or 80 mm
planars.
CHEERS!
BOB
From: "Les Myers" <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:25:53 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
The praise for film does not go unnoticed by me. The recent discussion about
formats (35mm vs 6.45 and 6x6) causes me to wonder about the devotion to
Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a 120 film format
shot with a 'blad or, in my case, Mamiya 645 for print quality. That is not
my Leica M6 to which I refer!
-----Original Message-----
From: dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:22 -0700
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Speaking of film...
Not that I think I need to make amends for starting a thread about
water, since it's a pretty key element of processing. But, about film...
Recently I made it point to start shooting film more often. Initially,
that meant loading-up long past-date rolls of 400TMY and taking snapshots
of cars in the driveway... changing bag, daylight tank, fresh chems,
renewing my processing muscle memory. Into the LS9000 (*) and then I
thought:
Gosh, film is beautiful.
There's something about committing photons directly to silver halide
that Just. Looks. Terrific.
That is all.
Cheers and 73,
Dana K6JQ
*Yes, Nikon LS9000. I've also been mostly shooting with a P&S
GA645. Different topics entirely, though.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Enlarger lenses
From: "Michael Healy" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:05:08 -0700
My favorite as well. I've been using a Fuji GSWIII with 65mm lens for a
good twenty years now - in addition to several 6x6's, 4x5, 8x10, 6x18,
and even 7x17. The 6x9 beats them all. Prints are magnificent at 16x20.
For a long time, I've been toying with the idea of getting a GWIII with
the 90mm to accompany it. Mike Healy
On 7/16/2018 5:56 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 07/16/2018 07:49 PM, `Richard Knoppow wrote:
�� Also half frame 2-1/4 x 1-1/8 AKA 6x4.5 Used to be box cameras in this
format also the Mamiya 645 and the original Exakta. I think there is also
an adapter for the Rolleiflex (16 frames per roll).� So there is the half
frame, 6x6, 6x7.5, 6x9 and panoramic. I think 6x7.5 originated with the old
Omega camera and is also found on the Calumet 120 roll adapter for� 4x5
sheet film cameras. I think Singer/Graflex also made a roll adapter for
this format. Anyway, lots of formats from 120 film.
I have shot everything from 16mm to 4x5 and - of them all - 6x9 remains my
favorite. It has nearly the rendering power of 4x5 but appears in a much
smaller form factor camera. At the moment I have both a Baby Speed Graphic
and a Mamiya Universal with a G back. Both of these can shoot 6x9 in rolls
or sheets (and I do both).
On 7/16/2018 4:06 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 07/16/2018 04:46 PM, Robert Marvin wrote:But 120 can also be shot as 6x7 or 6x9 (2 1/4 x 3 1/4) or
"6X6' and "120" and don't forget 2 1/4 X 2 1/4 :-)
6xSomePanoramicFormat.
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From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 13:16:26 -0400
On 07/17/2018 12:04 PM, bobkiss caribsurf.com wrote:
DEAR LES,
One of the murals (40X60 inches) in my 2013 celebrity show was of
Rudolf Nureyev which I shot with my Leica and a really lovely 50 mm
Sumicron. Were I rich I would have dumped my Nikons and geared up with
Leicas because, though they are slooooooooooooooow to load compared to
Nikons, the Leitz optics are truly superior to Nikkors. But I just
didn't have that kinda $. Anyhow, that mural print is really nice but
cannot hold a candle to the prints of the same size made from my 6X6
negs shot with my 'Blad with either the 120 or 80 mm planars.
CHEERS!
I do not wish to argue which is better, Nikkor lenses or Leitz ones.
They are certainly different, but that may be because they were designed
with different objectives (sorry) in mind.
But have you ever looked at the modulation transfer function curves of
these lenses? The Leitz lenses seem to have been designed to get the
highest possible resolution, whereas the Nikkors seem to have been
designed to get the highest modulation transfer up to some spatial
frequency, and sacrificing the extreme resolution at the higher spacial
frequencies.
And, depending on what you intend to do with this, either characteristic
might be the most appropriate.
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From: <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] used store for darkroom equipment
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:26:32 -0700
Well I would like at some point to upgrade my enlarger, but new i= s
probably not going to happen. KEH got out of the darkroom business = I
thinknot that long ago. IF I am wrong, correct me. Yet I wou= ld like to
know if there is another place other than the usual NY camera st= ores like
KEH that still carries used darkroom stuff. Not really look= ing for it
right now, but it might be a good idea to begin watching.
=0A=0A=0A
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From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:58:30 -0500
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: used store for darkroom equipment
Ebay is a real option
On July 17, 2018 12:27:32 PM <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well I would like at some point to upgrade my enlarger, but new is probably
not going to happen. KEH got out of the darkroom business I think not that
long ago. IF I am wrong, correct me. Yet I would like to know if there is
another place other than the usual NY camera stores like KEH that still
carries used darkroom stuff. Not really looking for it right now, but it
might be a good idea to begin watching.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
From: Dana Myers <dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:40:31 -0700
On 7/17/2018 8:25 AM, Les Myers wrote:
The praise for film does not go unnoticed by me. The recent discussion about
formats (35mm vs 6.45 and 6x6) causes me to wonder about the devotion to
Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a 120 film format
shot with a 'blad or, in my case, Mamiya 645 for print quality. That is not
my Leica M6 to which I refer!
While I lack the experience to comment about the Leica vs 'blad glass,
my thought here is that a smaller neg will be enlarged more for a given
print size, and the character of the neg (combination of film, developer
and lens) is likely to be more apparent. That might be more appealing
or suitable to some images, and it might be part of a photographer's
signature look.
Cheers,
Dana K6JQ
------------------------------
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
From: Dana Myers <dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:48:38 -0700
On 7/17/2018 10:16 AM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
I do not wish to argue which is better, Nikkor lenses or Leitz ones.
They are certainly different, but that may be because they were designed
with different objectives (sorry) in mind.
;-) Love the pun, and it touches on a serious point I was just thinking
as I replied to Les. While we can objectively _characterize_ the result
of a lens/film/developer/format combination, that's just raw numbers
and akin to pondering "is 10cm better than 12cm?". It depends on the
objective.
But have you ever looked at the modulation transfer function curves of
these lenses? The Leitz lenses seem to have been designed to get the
highest possible resolution, whereas the Nikkors seem to have been
designed to get the highest modulation transfer up to some spatial
frequency, and sacrificing the extreme resolution at the higher spacial
frequencies.
And, depending on what you intend to do with this, either characteristic
might be the most appropriate.
I'm slightly tempted to make a reference to vinyl vs CD audio here.
Cheers,
Dana K6JQ
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:12:34 -0800
From: Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
I agree- I borrowed a Leica M something a few years ago, and was =
seriouslydaunted by the film loading. Last week, I loaded my Nikon F2. =
Closed the back. Wound a few frames. Only the rewind lever was not =
turning.Open back. Re-insert film leader into take-up spool, close back, =
wind. Success. Probably could have loaded a couple of Leicas in the time =
that took. ( :-) =21 )
-----Original = Message-----
From: bobkiss=40caribsurf.com
Sent: Tue, = 17 Jul 2018 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: = pure-silver=40freelists.org
Subject: =5Bpure-silver=5D Re: = Speaking of film...
DEAR LES,
One of the = murals (40X60 inches) in my 2013 celebrity show was of
Rudolf Nureyev = which I shot with my Leica and a really lovely 50 mm
Sumicron. Were = I rich I would have dumped my Nikons and geared up with
Leicas because, = though they are slooooooooooooooow to load compared to
Nikons, the Leitz = optics are truly superior to Nikkors. But I just didn't
have that kinda = =24. Anyhow, that mural print is really nice but cannot
hold a = candle to the prints of the same size made from my 6X6 negs shot
with my = 'Blad with either the 120 or 80 mm planars.
&nb= sp; = CHEERS=21
&nb= sp; = BOB
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To: = =22pure-silver=40freelists.org=22 = <pure-silver=40freelists.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 = 11:25:53 AM
Subject: =5Bpure-silver=5D Re: Speaking of = film...
The praise for film does not go = unnoticed by me. The recent discussion
about formats (35mm vs 6.45 and = 6x6) causes me to wonder about the
devotionto Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, = Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a 120
film format shot with a 'blad or, in = my case, Mamiya 645 for print
quality.That is not my Leica M6 to which I = refer=21
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Sent: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:22 = -0700
To: pure-silver=40freelists.org
Subject: = =5Bpure-silver=5D Speaking of film...
Not = that I think I need to make amends for starting a thread = about
water, since it's a pretty key element of processing. But, = about film...
Recently I made it point to start = shooting film more often. Initially,
that meant loading-up long = past-date rolls of 400TMY and taking snapshots
of cars in the = driveway... changing bag, daylight tank, fresh chems,
renewing my = processing muscle memory. Into the LS9000 (*) and then = I
thought:
Gosh, film is = beautiful.
There's something about committing photons = directly to silver halide
that Just. Looks. = Terrific.
That is all.
Cheers and = 73,
Dana K6JQ
*Yes, Nikon LS9000. I've = also been mostly shooting with a P&S
GA645. Different topics = entirely, = though.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:14:40 -0800
From: Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
Actually, I like some grain in photos, especially people shots.
-----Original Message-----
From: dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:40:31 -0700
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
On 7/17/2018 8:25 AM, Les Myers wrote:
The praise for film does not go unnoticed by me. The recent discussion
about formats (35mm vs 6.45 and 6x6) causes me to wonder about the
devotion to Leica M6, Summilux 50 V2, Ilford HP5, D76 as opposed to a
120 film format shot with a 'blad or, in my case, Mamiya 645 for print
quality. That is not my Leica M6 to which I refer!
While I lack the experience to comment about the Leica vs 'blad glass,
my thought here is that a smaller neg will be enlarged more for a given
print size, and the character of the neg (combination of film, developer
and lens) is likely to be more apparent. That might be more appealing
or suitable to some images, and it might be part of a photographer's
signature look.
Cheers,
Dana K6JQ
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: used store for darkroom equipment
From: Fred Rosenberg <fdr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:14:29 -0700
I once had a fellow offer to give me his Leitz 1c, from across the
continent and for shipping cost. Priced out at $400 for packaging and
shipping. Passed on that one.
In my town of 10,000, I've fished for and collected enlargers destined
for the dump, with the intention of passing them (entire darkrooms) on
to new, self-motivated students. Two students later and I still have 9
in the attic.
A few are worthy of advanced darkroom work, a few for a museum and the
rest I'll be begrudgingly taking to the dump at some point.
I would consider giving the enlargers away here, for shipping (gulp) and
some $ for the packing effort. Write to fdr@xxxxxxxxxxx for what's
available. Is this offer okay for our list? If not, please ignore the
offer and enjoy the first paragraph.
Fred
On 7/17/2018 10:26 AM, mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Well I would like at some point to upgrade my enlarger, but new is
probably not going to happen. KEH got out of the darkroom business I
think not that long ago. IF I am wrong, correct me. Yet I would like
to know if there is another place other than the usual NY camera
stores like KEH that still carries used darkroom stuff. Not really
looking for it right now, but it might be a good idea to begin watching.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
From: Dana Myers <dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:36:24 -0700
On 7/17/2018 12:14 PM, Les Myers wrote:
Actually, I like some grain in photos, especially people shots.
Exactly. As a youngster, I thought "less grain is better" until I had
some experience with finger grain, during which I started thinking
"less grain is less grain".
My take on grain - it's like smoke in barbecue. Initially, smoke was
an inevitable side-effect of cooking over wood; it became part of the
flavor profile. Too much, or the wrong kind of, smoke is unpleasant,
but barbecue without any smoke is bland and uninteresting.
Cheers,
Dana K6JQ
(Yeah, I cook BBQ, too...)
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From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:27:22 -0400
On 07/17/2018 03:36 PM, Dana Myers wrote:
Exactly. As a youngster, I thought "less grain is better" until I had
some experience with finger grain, during which I started thinking
"less grain is less grain".
Just like "what film" is better, what developer is better, what lens is
better, what film size is better", it seems to me that "how much grain
is best" is another one.
I happen to dislike visible grain for almost everything. But I prefer
sharpness to resolution (and a choice must be made by the designer of
the lens, the designer of the film, the designer of the developer, the
photographer). If, to get the image sharpness I want, I must use a
developer time, developer formula, film type, etc., that has a little
visible grain, I will accept it. Fine grain developers have not helped
me because as they get rid of the visible grain, the also get rid of the
image sharpness as perceived by me when viewing the print.
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From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:33:59 -0500
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
My experience with Japanese glass versus German glass generally is that the
Japanese glass tends to be balanced more towards the warm colors. So, if
you're shooting color it's noticeable. In monochrome I've never seen a
whole bunch of difference.
Moreover, as others have pointed out here, the size of the negative so
dominates this equation that slight differences in modulation transfer
functions and so forth seem to not really be the point.
While I stipulate that Leica makes beautiful optics, then and now, I think
that it's become sort of cult following thing. It's the same reasons people
go on and on about their German made automobiles.
yes there is a some beauty to their out-of-focus behavior, but I've never
found it to be compellingly better than the Nikon glass or the Zeiss glass
or for that matter old Ektars. They are just subtly different.
One thing about Hasselblad that has haunted me the entire time I've owned
it, is that it is often too sharp for people pictures. Their lenses with a
couple of notable exceptions are so sharp that you have to soften them in
the printing process or you will see every pore and blemish on someone's skin.
On July 17, 2018 12:16:57 PM Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 07/17/2018 12:04 PM, bobkiss caribsurf.com wrote:
DEAR LES,
One of the murals (40X60 inches) in my 2013 celebrity show was of
Rudolf Nureyev which I shot with my Leica and a really lovely 50 mm
Sumicron. Were I rich I would have dumped my Nikons and geared up with
Leicas because, though they are slooooooooooooooow to load compared to
Nikons, the Leitz optics are truly superior to Nikkors. But I just
didn't have that kinda $. Anyhow, that mural print is really nice but
cannot hold a candle to the prints of the same size made from my 6X6
negs shot with my 'Blad with either the 120 or 80 mm planars.
CHEERS!
I do not wish to argue which is better, Nikkor lenses or Leitz ones.
They are certainly different, but that may be because they were designed
with different objectives (sorry) in mind.
But have you ever looked at the modulation transfer function curves of
these lenses? The Leitz lenses seem to have been designed to get the
highest possible resolution, whereas the Nikkors seem to have been
designed to get the highest modulation transfer up to some spatial
frequency, and sacrificing the extreme resolution at the higher spacial
frequencies.
And, depending on what you intend to do with this, either characteristic
might be the most appropriate.
--
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Speaking of film...
From: "Kiron Kid" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "KironKid"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:14:15 -0700
I don’t get too caught up in all the MTF charts, bokeh, etc. a beautiful
photograph can be made with any lens. How often have you viewed a photograph
and told yourself, wow, the bokeh sure sucks in this image?
A photograph that mirrors reality cannot compare to one that reflects the
spirit.
www.spiritvisionphotography.com
On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My experience with Japanese glass versus German glass generally is that the
Japanese glass tends to be balanced more towards the warm colors. So, if
you're shooting color it's noticeable. In monochrome I've never seen a whole
bunch of difference.
Moreover, as others have pointed out here, the size of the negative so
dominates this equation that slight differences in modulation transfer
functions and so forth seem to not really be the point.
While I stipulate that Leica makes beautiful optics, then and now, I think
that it's become sort of cult following thing. It's the same reasons people
go on and on about their German made automobiles.
yes there is a some beauty to their out-of-focus behavior, but I've never
found it to be compellingly better than the Nikon glass or the Zeiss glass
or for that matter old Ektars. They are just subtly different.
One thing about Hasselblad that has haunted me the entire time I've owned
it, is that it is often too sharp for people pictures. Their lenses with a
couple of notable exceptions are so sharp that you have to soften them in
the printing process or you will see every pore and blemish on someone's
skin.
On July 17, 2018 12:16:57 PM Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 07/17/2018 12:04 PM, bobkiss caribsurf.com wrote:
DEAR LES,
One of the murals (40X60 inches) in my 2013 celebrity show was of
Rudolf Nureyev which I shot with my Leica and a really lovely 50 mm
Sumicron. Were I rich I would have dumped my Nikons and geared up with
Leicas because, though they are slooooooooooooooow to load compared to
Nikons, the Leitz optics are truly superior to Nikkors. But I just
didn't have that kinda $. Anyhow, that mural print is really nice but
cannot hold a candle to the prints of the same size made from my 6X6
negs shot with my 'Blad with either the 120 or 80 mm planars.
CHEERS!
I do not wish to argue which is better, Nikkor lenses or Leitz ones.
They are certainly different, but that may be because they were designed
with different objectives (sorry) in mind.
But have you ever looked at the modulation transfer function curves of
these lenses? The Leitz lenses seem to have been designed to get the
highest possible resolution, whereas the Nikkors seem to have been
designed to get the highest modulation transfer up to some spatial
frequency, and sacrificing the extreme resolution at the higher spacial
frequencies.
And, depending on what you intend to do with this, either characteristic
might be the most appropriate.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
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