[pure-silver] Re: grain and focus

  • From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:50:07 -0700 (PDT)

I used to wish my skies weren't so grainy but once I
started using PMK I noticed that disappeared, esp.
with 120.

I can't speak to 35 so much, but with 120 I found that
PMK definitely made a difference.

Eric

--- Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Stoney"
> <shannonstoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:48 PM
> Subject: [pure-silver] grain and focus
> 
> 
> >
> > I made some 35mm pictures last winter using an
> ancient 
> > Leica and mostly HP5+.  Some of the negatives are
> pretty 
> > grainy, even when they're only enlarged to 4x6.
> The 
> > graininess seems to happen in the out of focus
> areas, of 
> > which there are a lot because the aperture was
> wide open 
> > and many of the pictures were taken inside without
> a 
> > flash.  When I use this camera outside and
> everything's in 
> > focus, there is usually no grain to speak of.  Why
> is 
> > there this relationship between apparent
> graininess and 
> > out of focus areas?
> >
> > --shannon
> >
> >
>     I think this is an optical illusion, the details
> of the 
> image tend to suppress the visibility of the grain. 
> Examining the negative through a strong magnifier or
> using a 
> grain focuser on your enlarger should demonstrate
> this.
>     Now also grain varies somewhat with the density
> of the 
> image being greater for higher density. This is one
> reason 
> for the old recommendation to make negatives as thin
> as 
> possible while retaining good shadow detail.
>     I have not used any HP 5 for a long time and
> don't 
> rememeber what its like but, if grain is an issue
> you might 
> try either Tri-X (ISO-400) or 400T-Max both of which
> are 
> quite fine grain for film of this speed. Xtol is a
> good 
> developer for both for minimizing grain without
> loosing 
> speed.
> 
> ---
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> 
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