-----Original Message----- From: Philippe Gauthier <pgauth@xxxxxxx> Sent: Oct 25, 2005 9:28 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Was Ilford -- Sulfide toners? Eric Neilsen Photography a �crit : >I was told that myth years ago and never challenged it, but selenium prints >do bleach and tone in a sulfide toner. You can tone in either order but the >colors will be different and the cross toning will be different. > > Quite frankly, I tried to bleach a selenium toned print some time ago and I never succeeded. Perhaps I was using the Kodak stuff at the time (I now use a much more powerful soup with 40g of ferricyanide per liter) I don't remember. But I wonder how a silver selenide molecule can revert to silver salt in ferricyanide and then be turned in silver sulfide in sepia bath. It must work only with prints partly toned in weak selenium solutions, where a lot of metallic silver atoms are still available. PG I think this depends on how throroughly the print is toned. If its completely toned, i.e., no metallic silver left and no silver halide left, it should not bleach. -- Richard Knoppow dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Los Angeles, CA, USA ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.