[pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
- From: "Eric Neilsen Photo" <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:57:14 -0600
I'll chime in here. I think the issue with expanding color is more the use
of color correctly in a realistic way for those images staying within the
realistic realm. For those venturing out and into the surreal arena, one is
fighting the realistic eye/mind. If it's not surreal enough people tend to
dismiss it.
I think we have all seen the HDR sky that has gone the too cyan glow to be
pleasing. I also think that dusk and sunrise do lend themselves to an HDR
image more easily. This in the sense that as we are standing there, we can
see the lights to darks.
Eric , there is auto bracketing so one click will give the entire bracket.
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
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Dallas, TX 75226
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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:08 PM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
Good point Bob. The new toy syndrome. Never has it been easier to enhance
detail and create drama, often where it doesn't seem to fit than w/this HDR.
I've toyed with it a bit but not with much success. Shadows often look
pretty funky so far and w/our typical Chicago weather I'm not too motivated
to head out w/a tripod and a digital camera and have to fuss w/menus to do a
bracket while my hands freeze.
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From: BOB KISS <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 9:46:13 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
DEAR ERIC,
I agree with you that it is an issue of degree and more or less
subtle use of this new technique. In most of the HDR images I have seen it
appears to me that the practitioner was soooooooooooooo thrilled with the
new ability to hold tones throughout a wide dynamic range that they way over
did it. Even the images in the posted site seem, for the most part, over
done. The eye and brain have recorded decades of visual information and
have some sense of what is out there.
A while back I mentioned an image made by one of my students
that was the most amazingly subtle use of HDR. It was of a side canal in
Venice and it truly captured the unique and beautiful feeling of light one
sees in Venice . Of course, if you look extremely carefully you can see
some tonal transitions that are subtly strange but the over all scene is so
close to life that it is, in its own way, "not photographic" but it IS
subtle and believable..and beautiful.
Now, if surrealism is your intention, then go for it. If showing more of
the information that the eye can see but digital photography cannot (due
mostly to questions of dynamic range) then, I pray, that subtlety will
eventually reign.
CHEERS!
BOB
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[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Nelson
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:29 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
I think it depends on the eye of the practitioner as some folks have
definitely gone over the top HDR-wise creating an almost hand colored
postcard look to things. Certainly clouds can get a weird look to them when
worked on by a what I would call a novice as they tend to add way too much
drama that wasn't in the original scene.
In re:to your question, I think it's a combination of what we're used to
seeing, surprise at the range from our lowered expectations from digital up
till recently, and users getting a little heavy handed in their use of the
method. Your examples didn't seem too heavy handed for the most part. In
B&W I'd be bleaching and dodging and burning like crazy to achieve that
range....or is it just my negs?
<http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z210/emanphoto/angkor_temple_needs_spott
ing_has_bettersky.jpg> ;)
Eric
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From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 10:24:38 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Today's Watercooler Discussion: Dynamic Range
Monochrome film photographers routinely handle well over 16 stops of light.
Digital ... not so much. They resort to HDR techniques like this:
http://www.perfectphotoblog.com/high-dynamic-range-images-hdri-before-and-af
ter-landscapes/1201/
I judge these to be quite beautiful but ... they don't look "real" to
me. To my eye they seem more "surreal".
So, here's the question: Is this a byproduct of the digital manipulation
process OR are we so used to seeing color without a lot of dynamic
range (even color film is pretty limited by comparison to B&W) that
when we see a full dynamic range color image it seems "fake".
Discuss amongst yourselves...
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