dec1804 from Lloyd Erlick, I wouldn't normally interject in such a discussion, but I have a theory to expound. Also, I find this list particularly valuable, and I do not want to see it descend. And speaking of particularly, both RS and PDS are, from my point of view, on the level of primary sources. I haven't been following the discussion, and I know nothing of it. The following is worded (nuanced, hah!) as generically as I can manage: My theory is that a very large proportion of the conflict we see keyboarded over the Internet is due to the fact that one or both or all sides of the 'discussion' are speaking English-not-their-primary-language. All languages have subtlety and nuance that are nearly impossible to learn as an outsider, not least because they even differ geographically and socially across native speakers. So it is nearly impossible for native English speakers to reliably communicate even with each other, without emotional 'noise' taking place. It is even farther from possible for non-primary users of English to successfully eliminate all unintended negative connotation from their English writing. Where there is voice contact, or even handwriting on paper, there is a basis to at least attempt to decipher the intended emotional content. Keyboarding onscreen puts it down to words only, and they are slippery words. I'm tempted to say English words are especially slippery, but I really don't speak anything but English so I can't compare. Still, as a lifelong English speaker who has paid attention to it, and written, a lot, I find English very slippery indeed. Mono-linguists like me should just be grateful the rest of the world chose English! The solution, in my opinion, is that one (everyone) must make a strong conscious effort to resist a negative emotional reaction to anything keyboarded over the Internet. Where a strong reaction is legitimately called for, I believe one is entitled to it, as long as one has analyzed the writing sufficiently to be sure that it is, in fact, legitimate. This implies a measure of detachment even in situations of legitimate emotion. The alternative is flying off the handle merely because many people have a less than perfect skill level at English. I admit that I have flown off the handle myself, more than once, merely from exposure to an instruction booklet originating in any one of many countries ... (and if I changed that to "any one of many foreign countries", are there people who would take offense???) ... the level of this group has been higher than that. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. voice: 416-686-0326 email: portrait@xxxxxxxxxxxx net: www.heylloyd.com ________________________________ -- ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.