[pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
- From: "mail1" <mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:10:19 -0700
"the ID improves life" ??
Jonathan
P.S. You are right about the NYS Riesling
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[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave V
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:51 AM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
Cosmic radiation is only an issue with high speed films. Paper is so slow
compared to film I wouldn't be concerned about it. Kodak stores high speed
films deep underground in a salt mine near Batavia, NY to minimize the
effects of radiation.
Life of paper on the shelf (room temp) is not more than 2.5 years and that
is with RC. It is less with FB. Believe it or not, the ID improves life.
At least w Kodak papers. Then fog begins to build up.
Dave
PS: NYS Riesling goes pretty good with souped Tmax film.
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>I now remember the rest of the conversation with the Ilford rep. He
> mentioned that cosmic radiation contributed to the fogging of the paper,
> and
> film, and that this radiation easily passed through my freezer. He also
> mentioned the savings in electricity would go towards buying fresh paper.
> Years ago I acquired a photographer's studio at an estate sale. Among the
> items was a freezer of film and paper. I had no idea how long the paper
> had
> been in the freezer. I ran the freezer for a couple of years until it
> finally died. The paper then lived at cool dead freezer temp for about 6
> or
> more years, before I tested the paper, and film with a step table. All the
> RC paper was heavily fogged. I suspected developer was incorporated in the
> emulsion. The fiber base paper is useable with great care. The biggest
> issue
> is the choice of developer and time of development. 1min. to 90sec. max
> anything over the later time fogs the paper. The film fared better as I
> was
> able to print through the fog. The Ilford Delta 3200 was a loser. The film
> is mostly long gone except for some 4x5 B&W, and Color stock. Some paper
> still exist which I rarely but occasionally revisit when I'm printing a
> print that does not have bright high lights. One of these days I will have
> to deep six the freezer, and what remains inside. In the mean time I'm try
> to use up my fresh stock so that it does not end up in the dead freezer.
> There is a small amount of film in our small kitchen refrigerator freezer
> section, and my wife has suggested I might think about cooking it for
> dinner, and I counter with, it might be better if I soup it.
> Jonathan Ayers [mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave V
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:30 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>
> This is a "no win" question. Options are have the paper go bad as the
> natural age is used up. If that happens the paper might be used for some
> artsy stuff. Option two: Possible emulsion freezing and re-freezing
> issues,
>
> that you may never see. I'll go with the later....
>
> Please understand, it is always better to buy and use fresh paper and
> not
> buy huge quantities and freeze it. However when you get a gem like old
> Ektalure, which has been discontinued, there is no option.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mail1" <mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:06 PM
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>
>
>> Dave what are your thoughts on the moisture in the emulsion expanding
>> when
>> it freezes. I spoke with an Ilford Rep some years ago and he advised
>> against
>> refreezing because of the possible damage to the emulsion.
>> I have not gone the freezer route as energy to run the freezer is costly
>> living off the grid. In fact the last freezer I had ran 100% of the time
>> when the ambient air temp reached 95'which amounted to 5000 watts over 24
>> hours.
>> Jonathan Ayers [mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave V
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:02 AM
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>>
>> The paper he has is old and expired by at least 5 years. If he tries
>> some
>>
>> and it does not have fog or mottle it is still good. I would keep it in
>> a
>> plastic bag and freeze it. Allowing it to warm up for an hour before
>> using
>> it and re-freezing remainder immediately afterwards.
>>
>> Kodak discontinued Ektalure about 6 or 7 years ago. It is an
>> outstanding
>> product with history going back almost 100 years.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janet Cull" <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:09 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>>
>>
>>> And does this mean it will be on the market? or is his an old box?
>>>
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Dave V wrote:
>>>
>>>> People are usually selected based on how influential they are with the
>>>> company reps. Then they are selected based on what ever change was
>>>> made
>>
>>>> in the product so they might be sensitive to the change. For example,
>>>> if a change was made that affected how the paper would look in process
>>>> the users would be selected based on the different chemistries they
>>>> used. That means the sale reps would really need to know their
>>>> customer base. Usually all professional photographers. They would
>>>> test the material and Kodak research staff would interview them.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Cull" <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:00 PM
>>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm very curious how one gets on a list to try out their new
>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave V"
>>>>>> <DValvo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:43 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodak Special PX 3001paper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PX just means experimental. FX is "film experiment" PX is "paper
>>>>>> experiment". The 3001 just means that was the next number
>>>>>> available
>>
>>>>>> from corporate for test projects. It is a more recent number. Open
>>>>>> the box (in total dark, no safelights) and see if there is a
>>>>>> stuffer
>>>>>> sheet inside. It will tell you how to process the paper and
>>>>>> hopefully how to expose it. I don't remember if 3001 was one of
>>>>>> mine
>>
>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice to have really authoritative information available to
>>>>>> the list. Thank you Dave.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Richard Knoppow
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>>>>>> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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