I would love to duplicate the dark black skies one sees in images shot on the old ortho films. I have tried many filters (orange, red, tri-red), many films (TX, PX, TMX,BPF, FP4) and developers (D-76, HC-110, PMK, T-Max), and I never quite manage to get what I want. I even tried using Ilford's ortho film, but unless I'm doing something wrong in development (possible, since I only glanced at the data sheets), the stuff is so grainy as to be unusable. Ideas anyone? I shoot a great deal of winter snow and summer landscape stuff and would really love to have that black sky behind it all. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.