Okay, can Oracle run command line on Unix platforms or was that interface scrapped? Also, have you got a copy of Oracle for Unix you can now use on one of those desktop machines? Finally, what are the technical specs on those desktops? A high end Pentium or better is essential given you're interested in doing stuff with data base applications. You'll need at least a gig of ram to install Oracle too. If you don't mind going with competitors like mysql or postgresql, memory requirements will be smaller. I can suggest www dot grml dot org and download the latest iso and burn to CD for you to get started. After the iso is burnt, get a directory of the CD and if it has lots of files on it you burnt it correctly. Next boot the machine and when the CD stops spinning type grml swspeak and hit enter. If you have a working sound card you'll hear it start to speak so follow instructions. What you downloaded is a talking version of Linux on a CD and you can try it out before installing. To actually install, run the install2hd script. That should get you started in a command line environment. It's possible grml can be made to come up in X but I haven't managed to make that happen yet so anyone else who has grml running under X may be able to help out there. The grml flavor of Linux is an accessible security hardened version of Debian the C-64 of Linux distros. What I mean by that is the computer that had the most software written for it is the C-64 and Debian has the largest number of available packages for it too. You might also consider subscribing to the grml mailing list too. Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron McEwan Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:47 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: teaching a old dog new tricks Hi all, For the last 22 years I have been a mainframe programmer and then a IBM DB2 DBA. I have decided I need to learn something new so have ventured into the Unix Oracle world. I have a couple of old desktop boxes here at home and would like to get one of them up and running on a flavor of Unix with speech. I would greatly appreciate getting advice on how to do this. In the Journey, Ron __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind