hi. yep. tyler is right. need my hand held. sorry for that. will not post any more questions or help. will just read the posts. will figure it out for my self. so go figure. Marvin. E-Mail: startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx Msn: startrekcafe@xxxxxxx Skype: startrekcafe to subscribe to the Jaws Australia group send a blank message to JawsOz-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind