I believe that Jamal's working copy on his site is more current than mine, and the big differences in the express verses the paid for versions is no packager and no dll capabilities I do believe so other than references to that, the tutorial will work for either version. I'd contact Jamal on the address for his nvdvs tutorial page, I don't seem to have it handy like I should, must have misplaced it, sorry. take care, inthane ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen S. Disbrow To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Visual Studio Tutorial Hi, Is the latest copy of the MS Visual Studio Tutorial on the Grabbag site or is it somewhere else, and is it good for the Express Editions? Steve D.