SV: Windows Forms layout - how to do it?
- From: "Bue Vester-Andersen" <bva_lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:52:09 +0200
Hi Jamal,
Thanks for the pointers. I will definitly have a look at it. I hope the
arithmetic calculations you mention are also described in that section of
MSDN. It looks though as if people can get quite far by using the built-in
table/grit panels. Still, I think LBC is a fantastic idea in terms of
getting things done quickly without having to think a lot about which
controll should be placed exactly where.
I am already using the JAWS scripts for VS2005/2008, and I think they are
great. But again, they can only help you, if you know exactly what you want
to do, which is part of the problem.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about command line compilers vs. Ides. I will leave
that discussion to others. I was just trying to provoke people into
describing their experience with making a gui.
I haven't yet come around to playing with compiling the LBC programs with
the commandline compiler, but I will see if I can get to do it when I return
tonight (European time).
Best regards
Bue
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] På vegne af Jamal Mazrui
Sendt: 5. august 2011 18:01
Til: ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: RE: Windows Forms layout - how to do it?
Microsoft guidelines on user interface design are available at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms997619
Support for creating GUIs in the Windows Forms designer has been part of the
JAWS scripts for VS 2005 or 2008, available at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/msenv2005.exe
(or .zip extension for a manual install).
Using a command-line compiler does not necessarily mean creating console
apps. Each .NET command line compiler can be passed a parameter that
determines whether a console-mode or a Windows-mode executable is created.
In general, a screen reader user tends to lay out forms either via
arithmetic calculations of control positions, sizes, and spacing, or via
layout containers that do much of that work automatically. Nearly every
development framework these days includes such layout containers as part of
its API or object model. In the .NET Framework, they are called
FlowLayoutPanel and TableLayotPanel. Lbc uses these behind the scenes.
LayoutPanel
sizes
Jamal
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bue
Vester-Andersen
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:49 AM
To: 'Jamal Mazrui'; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: SV: Windows Forms layout - how to do it?
Hi Jamal,
Thanks for the reply. I will try what you have mentioned. I then suggest
that we move the discussion off the list, so we don't make too much noice.
I am still very interested in knowing how everybody else on the list is
making a gui with a decent layout, Windows forms or not. You can't mean to
tell me that you are all stuck with making command line driven console apps
:-)
Best regards
Bue
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
Sendt: 5. august 2011 15:59
Til: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bva_lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: Re: Windows Forms layout - how to do it?
Hi,
I use a text editor rather than Visual Studio for .NET development, so was
hoping that someone else might have a solution to the problem you
experienced compiling with Homer.NET. As its author, I would like to work
with you to resolve the problem. If possible, please try the following and
report yur results.
I think there is a way that VS hosts a program that is under development,
rather than launching that program to run independently. I am not sure, but
think that is where the problem is arising. Can you compile the code and
run it without this hosting scenario? For example, I vaguely recall that
Control+F5 compiles, whereas F5 runs a program in a hosted mode. If
compiling is successful, then try running the program outside of VS, or look
for menu options on a project or build menu that allow you to run the
program independently (not hosted for debugging, etc.).
If that does not work, try compiling from the command line with the C#
compiler, csc.exe. There is a VS Start Menu option for opening a console
mode environment that sets appropriate paths to the command line compilers.
You will need to reference assemblies as appropriate when calling the
compiler. the batch files distributed with Homer.NET illustrate how this
may be done.
I realize that you may prefer to use VS for everything rather than a
command-line compiler for some tasks. This would help us identify where the
problem lies.
Jamal
On 8/5/2011 6:14 AM, Bue Vester-Andersen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering how you guys make a Windows forms user interface with a
> decent layout. I am congenitally blind, and I have always found it a
> great pain to make a layout that would work at all.
>
> - which controlls should be where on the form, and where should they
> be docked?
>
> - What should be aligned with what? For instance, a text label and a
> text box have different hights, so do you align to top bottom or middle?
>
> How do you ensure that each controll has room enough for its text - at
> any time? What when you translate the text into another language? What
> when the dialog is resized?
>
> Should I just switch to something completely different? WPF is not
> terribly accessible, at least not with JAWS for Windows., which
> doesn't support UI automation very well.
>
> I could continue until next christmas. Do you all have sighted persons
> to scrutinize your forms layout when you change a single byte of code?
>
> I had hoped that I could use Layout by Code but no luck so far. The
> thread about that seems to have dissolved into a discussion about to
> IDE or not to IDE.
>
> Do any of you know about a layout engine that can solve at least some
> of the problems? If not, can you point me to a tutorial on how to make
> a good layout? The .net documentation is excelent if you know what you
> want to achieve, but I guess that is part of the problem. I don't know
> what my form is really supposed to look like, and I don't know when to
> dock the controlls left right or center.
>
> Hope someone can help me.
>
> Best regards
> Bue
>
> __________
> View the list's information and change your settings at
> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>
__________
View the list's information and change your settings at
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
__________
View the list's information and change your settings at
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
__________
View the list's information and change your settings at
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
Other related posts:
