Hi Jamie: Sorry for the reply delay but I've been really tied up lately. Anyway, If Sql Server is running you can use either Vb.net, the Admin Program you downloaded or any other .net language, VWD, C# etc. . . to create a DataBase. You will create a DataBase, Then Create one or more Tables in the DataBase to hold your Data. Each Table is comprised of Columns that hold individual pieces of information. So: DataBase Name might be: MyLoginStuff MyLoginStuff might have 2 tables. Create a Table, LoginDetails: Column 1 name might be UserId, Column type VarChar(10): Column 2 might be UserName, type VarChar(25) Column 3 might be UserIncome, type Decimal( 15, 2) Table 2 might be: UserHobbies: Column 1 . . . To Create the DataBase you would go into an application like the Admin program and use what is called t-sql, Transactional Sql. Statements to build the DataBase. You would need to do the following statements: Create DataBase MyLoginStuff . . . Then: Create Table UserDetails: and define each column for that table by picking the types of columns, integer, varchar decimal etc from a drop down list or program them if you use a script to do the create DataBase, Tables work. This is all massively generalized but I don't know where you are technically with DataBase design and implementation. In any case you will need to know t-sql, just a subset of regular SQL statement formats that Microsoft uses to manipulate databases. Do you want to build your first database by hand using the Admin tool or something like Vb.net or do you want to write scripts to build the DataBase? If you are new you might google some Introduction, Basics, Tutorial, Sql Server, t-sql and the name of the Admin program you downloaded. I forget the actual name of the tool. but it might be Sql Server Management Express. You should be able to find a Walkthrough or Tutorial for beginners using your preferred technique. Check it out and let me know what you find and which method you choose to build your first DataBase so I can do a little checking on that technique too. That way I might find something that might help me give you some specific examples. Rick Farmington Mich. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: mixollagy fm UK To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: SQL and Microsoft SQL express Hi richard, thanks for your reply. I have downloaded the microsoft SQL free express and the admin studio, but cant figure out what to do now it's instaled, i don't know nothing about sql or how to use it, you see. My idea is that if i created an sql database, i have a login script that logs users in to a profile server, and the script can log the users in to the database, stating what workstation logged in, time, date, and so forth. The other sql server i have also downloaded and tried is my sql for the web, that's a commandline app, i tried figuring that out to build some kind of web interfaces as well. the microsoft express runs fine, it's just a question of what to do with it. Kind regards: Jamie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Thomas To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: SQL and Microsoft SQL express Hi: I'm running Sql Server Express OK. What seems to be the problem with it? Is it running when you look in the ControlPanel>Admin Services list for local services? I also have the dFree downloaded Administration Studio but have not heard of a Web Based version, if you have a url I'll look at it or thry and Google something. I use VWD and Vb.net Express with Sql Server Express and had no problems so far. What can you tell so far about the status of Sql Server Express on your machine? It needs to be running before you can use it. I think you can have it set to automatically start when the computer is booted from the Control Panel> Admin Tools > Local Services but I've not looked at it in some time. I guess the first thing is to figure out if you have a good Download and Install and that Sql Server is running so let me know if you can check that out or I'll figure out how to do it if you need help. After that it should be simple enough to build a test DataBase using Vb.net, the Admin Tools or something else. Rick Farmington Mich. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: vertual To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: SQL and Microsoft SQL express Hi there. This is directed to all of the database gooroows out there. I cant actually figure out how to get sql running, so i was wondering, has anyone else had it working? i obtained the admin web interface to control sql via a web interface. I am not a commandline kind of person you see, and where ever possible use gui applications. Also, has anyone ever used microsoft sql express? i have a coppy on here, but cant figure it out, i have looked at the help and it's not exactly clear. As a note to the php admin interface, anyone got it to run? i havn't, even though i have php installed on a web server here. Kind regards: Jamie.