Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
- From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:03:27 -0500
EdSharp32.exe seems fully functional with jaws and nvda (I have only
those two). The 64-bit version still has errors, though. Note that
this is on win7, which has good support for 32-bit programs despite
this being a 64-bit system; I am not sure what would happen on 64-bit
Vista or XP.
Sayline.exe is now working with both screen readers. It might have
just been a one-time fluke that I got that error earlier.
On 2/9/11, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> So does SayLine.exe work wit NVDA?
>
> Are you still having a problem when yu close EdSharp using
> EdSharp32.exe? Otherwise, I wonder if I should make it the default
> executable since you say it is the only one that now works with both
> JAWS and NVDA.
>
> If you happen to have Window-Eyes or System Access, I'm curious about
> them, too.
>
> This is really helpful, Alex. I appreciate your taking the time to test
> and report.
>
> Jamal
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:45:43 -0500
>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>
>> Yes, it does work! This is with the dll files as they were originally,
>> not renamed. The 64-bit version, and the one that does not specify 32
>> or 64 bit, still both fail, but the 32-bit version works.
>> The sayline.exe failure was with jaws. Sorry, I should have mentioned
>> that.
>>
>> On 2/9/11, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Also curious whether SayLine.exe crashes with JAWS as well as NVDA.
>>> On Wed,
>>> 9 Feb 2011, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:07:40 -0500 (EST)
>>>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>>>
>>>> I've just uploaded a new EdSharp distribution. Does EdSharp32.exe work
>>>> with
>>>> both NVDA and JAWS now? If there is an error message when exiting, can
>>>> you
>>>> capture that?
>>>>
>>>> Jamal
>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:52:57 -0500
>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>>>>
>>>>> Edsharp only seemed to work with the 32 bit version. However, that
>>>>> version crashed when exiting, no matter what screen reader was in use.
>>>>> The 64 bit one worked with jaws, but not with nvda unless I renamed
>>>>> the dlls so that the 32-bit one had an underscore in its name and the
>>>>> 64-bit one had been renamed to match the 32-bit one's name. However,
>>>>> this only worked in that it did not crash; it still did not use nvda's
>>>>> speech, defaulting to sapi5 instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/11, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks, Alex! So did EdSharp32.exe work the best with NVDA? Did it
>>>>>> work normally until you tried to close EdSharp? Does JAWS work with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> three versions or just some of them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:24:13 -0500
>>>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About boxes:
>>>>>>> 32-bit:
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> About
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> EdSharp 3.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> February 9, 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Copyright 2007 - 2011 by Jamal Mazrui
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The executable contains only Microsoft intermediate language (MSIL),
>>>>>>> and is therefore neutral with respect to 32-bit or 64-bit platforms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The executable can be run on a 32-bit platform, or in the 32-bit
>>>>>>> Windows on Windows (WOW) environment on a 64-bit platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Targets a 32-bit Intel processor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Running in 32-bit mode.
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> When I tried to close the program, I got an error, but the "copy to
>>>>>>> clipboard" button caused the program to become unresponsive, then it
>>>>>>> went away and I was back in the list of edSharp files with no error
>>>>>>> report on my clipboard. This was with jaws, so there should not have
>>>>>>> been a problem with nvda dll files (which are still renamed to force
>>>>>>> edsharp to use the 64-bit dll as the 32-bit).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 64-bit:
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> About
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> EdSharp 3.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> February 9, 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Copyright 2007 - 2011 by Jamal Mazrui
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The executable contains only Microsoft intermediate language (MSIL),
>>>>>>> and is therefore neutral with respect to 32-bit or 64-bit platforms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The executable requires a 64-bit platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Targets a 64-bit AMD processor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Running in 64-bit mode.
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> This exited normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Default File (no bit version specified):
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> About
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> EdSharp 3.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> February 9, 2011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Copyright 2007 - 2011 by Jamal Mazrui
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The executable contains only Microsoft intermediate language (MSIL),
>>>>>>> and is therefore neutral with respect to 32-bit or 64-bit platforms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Targets a 32-bit Intel processor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Running in 64-bit mode.
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>>> This also exited normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ready for the weird part? I started up edsharp32.exe again, this time
>>>>>>> having put the nvda dlls back to how they are supposed to be, and
>>>>>>> everything worked perfectly with nvda running! I then repeated the
>>>>>>> process with jaws running and got the same error, and inability to
>>>>>>> capture said error, that I reported above. It seems that the 32-bit
>>>>>>> version works until you try to close it, then it locks up for a
>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>> and quits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I then did this in a command prompt:
>>>>>>> cd "c:\program files (x86)\edsharp"
>>>>>>> sayline.exe hello
>>>>>>> I got an error:
>>>>>>> SayLine.exe - Application Error
>>>>>>> The application was unable to start correctly (0xc000007b). Click
>>>>>>> OK to close the application.
>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/9/11, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Also, can you copy and paste the relevant About Box info for each
>>>>>>>> EdSharp
>>>>>>>> version?
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:02:06 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>>>>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Can you also report on EdSharp32.exe and SayLine.exe?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:59:14 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Debugging EdSharp and NVDA problem on Win64
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I upgraded and ran whatever launches by default. As soon as I
>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> opening a file from Explorer, I got an error, the one with the
>>>>>>>>>> "mail
>>>>>>>>>> to developer", "copy to clipboard", and so on. As usual, doing
>>>>>>>>>> anything here caused a second error, and doing anything in that
>>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>> error exited back to the Explorer window.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I then manually launched the 64-bit program from the EdSharp
>>>>>>>>>> folder in
>>>>>>>>>> c:\program files (x86). Using nvda, I hit alt-a and got the same
>>>>>>>>>> "unexpected event" dialog I always get. I shut down nvda, opened
>>>>>>>>>> jaws,
>>>>>>>>>> and copied to clipboard. Here is what I got:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect format.
>>>>>>>>>> (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8007000B)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stack trace:
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.Win32.nvdaController_speakText(String sText)
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.Util.Say(Object oText, Boolean bGlobal)
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.MdiFrame.SetStatusAddress(Object sender, EventArgs
>>>>>>>>>> e)
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.MdiFrame.menuItem_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
>>>>>>>>>> at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key,
>>>>>>>>>> EventArgs
>>>>>>>>>> e)
>>>>>>>>>> at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
>>>>>>>>>> at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.MdiFrame.ProcessCmdKey_Helper(Message& msg, Keys
>>>>>>>>>> keyData)
>>>>>>>>>> at EdSharp.HomerRichTextBox.ProcessCmdKey(Message& msg, Keys
>>>>>>>>>> keyData)
>>>>>>>>>> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessMessage(Message&
>>>>>>>>>> msg)
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessControlMessageInternal(Control
>>>>>>>>>> target, Message& msg)
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.PreTranslateMessage(MSG&
>>>>>>>>>> msg)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Finally, I renamed the 32-bit nvda controller dll with an
>>>>>>>>>> underscore
>>>>>>>>>> so edSharp would not find it, then renamed the 64-bit one to
>>>>>>>>>> match the
>>>>>>>>>> old name of the 32-bit one. This time, when I re-launched the
>>>>>>>>>> 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>> version of edsharp, I got no errors. However, edSharp defaulted
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> sapi5 instead of using nvda speech. Since all I have is Anna,
>>>>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>>>>> not an optimal solution. At least things do not crash, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/11, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to resolve the problem of using NVDA with EdSharp
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Whatever the cause(s) of the present
>>>>>>>>>>> incompatibility, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> can collaborate to get to the bottom of it, and find a
>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have just posted a new EdSharp distribution at the usual
>>>>>>>>>>> address,
>>>>>>>>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or press F11 to Elevate from an existing installation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The About Box (Help/About or Alt+F1) has been enhanced to show
>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>> information at the bottom. It will say whether the EdSharp
>>>>>>>>>>> executable
>>>>>>>>>>> requires 32-bit Windows, 64-bit Windows, or works on either.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> targeted
>>>>>>>>>>> to a particular platform, that CPU will be stated. The
>>>>>>>>>>> current mode
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> operation, 32 or 64-bit, will also be stated. You can press
>>>>>>>>>>> Control+C
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> copy the contents of the message box to the clipboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> EdSharp.exe is compiled to work on either 32 or 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Two
>>>>>>>>>>> additional executables are currently included, EdSharp32.exe
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> EdSharp64.exe, which require the indicated platform.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A simple way of testing NVDA compatibility is with the Address
>>>>>>>>>>> command,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alt+A. If NVDA does not work with EdSharp.exe, please try
>>>>>>>>>>> manually
>>>>>>>>>>> launching EdSharp32.exe or EdSharp64.exe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If neither of those work, try copying
>>>>>>>>>>> nvdaControllerClient64.dl over
>>>>>>>>>>> nvdaControllerClient32.dll.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also try one of the SayTools utilities that has been included,
>>>>>>>>>>> SayLine.exe, e.g., with the command-line syntax
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SayLine.exe Hello world
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please report your results.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>>>>>>
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