Re: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
- From: "Arnold Bailey" <arnoldbail@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:48:41 -0400
I'm using Open Office with the Daisy Add-On on XP. I had no problems. I
don't use Jaws so I can't give any info at that.
Arnold
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Good morning everyone,
>
> That is if you can get the Save as DAISY add-in for MS Word to install
> on your computer. We have two computers here and haven't been able to
> install it on either one. Still worse when we try to access the, "Details
> Button" which is supposed to give us more information JAWS 9.0 won't allow
> us to activate that button. It would be nice if as a part of the
> installation process the add-in would allow you to install any needed
> components for the process to proceed and you can get the thing to run on
> your system. I'm aware of others who have had similar issues with the Save
> as DAISY add-in too. It's supposed to work with Word XP under Windows XP.
> It's been more of a pain that a help.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnold Bailey" <arnoldbail@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
>
>
> Jennifer:
>
> Thanks for the links. I had planned on going to the daisy forum. I have
> done
> a lot of investigation on the pipeline; but, the points I made were not
> clear. This includes even the AMIS documentation.
>
> On the point of a presentation, I think that a company like dolphin who is
> doing a lot of commercial work with conversions would not be what I'm
> looking for. The MS Word to daisy pipeline to audio player does not seem
> to
> be a hard process to accomplish. It's just that there is so much
> superfluous
> information in one instance and not enough in other instances.
>
> Peter, I'll pursue this on the daisy forum and I'll post my solution.
>
> Arnold
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Jennifer Sutton <jsuttondc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Blind Programming folks:
> >
> > I'm coming in late to this thread, but from what I can tell, you do need
> > the DAISY Pipeline. AMIS is, as Lloyd indicated, a player (or sometimes,
> we
> > call them reading systems).
> >
> > I am not sure whether there is yet an Open Office converter in the
> > Pipeline, but it's a free open source tool, so anyone is welcome to
> > contribute to the effort. The key would be to see if one has been begun
> by
> > anyone else, by communicating with that work group.
> >
> > At the moment, even if you are creating DAISY full text, without audio,
> you
> > do need a SMIL file. AMIS, as one DAISY reading system example, expects
> > one.
> >
> > Peter, if the NFB wants this DAISY production seminar to happen, why not
> > write to the DAISY Consortium so that they can help you get to the right
> > people across a range of authoring tool vendors, including, perhaps, a
> > demonstration of the Pipeline.
> >
> > Handy links may prove to be these, if you've not found what you are
> looking
> > for by now:
> >
> > DAISY Contact us form:
> > http://www.daisy.org/support/contactus.shtml
> >
> > DAISY forums:
> > http://forums.daisy.org/
> >
> > DAISY Pipeline:
> > http://www.daisy.org/projects/pipeline/
> >
> > Most recent newsletter:
> > http://www.daisy.org/news/newsletters/
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> > At 04:32 AM 5/27/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to create an mp3 file that is staandalone. I'd want to listen
> to
> >> it on the PC.
> >>
> >> I mentioned AMIS because it was one of the open source tools used for
> >> playback that was on the daisy list. I'm starting with an MS Word/Open
> >> Office document that has a TOC and a number of chapters. Pretty small
> (just
> >> to test). I want the user to be able to listen to the TOC and navigate,
> with
> >> bookmarks through the file. Ifelt that AMIS could be used to playback
> with
> >> navigation.
> >>
> >> Do I need an authoring tool? I began to look at Urakawa OBI which is
> also
> >> open source. Is this what I need?
> >>
> >> Arnold
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen <<mailto:
> >> lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>lras@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> What do you plan to do with the MP3 file? Play it standalone on any MP3
> >> player? AMIS is not an authoring tool, but a player. It can play
> >> text-only
> >> Daisy documents through various speech synthesizers on your computer,
> but
> >> it
> >> doesn't convert anything.
> >>
> >> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> >> Home: <http://lras.home.sprynet.com>http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> >> Work: <http://www.loc.gov/nls>http://www.loc.gov/nls
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:<mailto:programmingblind-
> >> >programmingblind-
> >> > <mailto:bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Arnold
> >> Bailey
> >> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:53 PM
> >> > To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: Re: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
> >> >
> >> > Hi Lloyd,
> >> >
> >> > I'm just starting and I've been trying to filter through all the
> >> > information. I'm still not sure of the process that I need to follow:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 1. I created a dtbook xml file from open office that looks good as
> >> per
> >> > the daisy documentation. It's a simple document with a table of
> contents
> >> > and a number of h1/h2/h3 items. I'm using it just to find out what
> >> > processing I'll need to create an mp3 file at the end.
> >> > 2. I originally thought I needed the daisy pipeline to do some kind
> >> of
> >> > conversion? After I looked at the daisy xml file, I didn't see where I
> >> > needed daisy pipeline.
> >> > 3. So, I went to AMIS, because it is free and appeared to be what I
> >> > needed to get to an audio file.
> >> > 4. I found out though, that I needed an OPF file as input. I
> believe
> >> it
> >> > contains the daisy xml that was generated by OO with tags around it
> that
> >> > describe the book itself externally?
> >> > 5. It was here that I've been trying to pull together the wrapping
> of
> >> > the daisy xml file to create the OPF file.
> >> > 6. I don't use an SMIL file. Do I need to with a text-only
> document?
> >> > 7. I'm not sure about the daisy 2.02. I can't remember if AMIS
> >> required
> >> > it or not.
> >> >
> >> > Can you fill me in on where I need to look or generally what I need to
> >> do
> >> > to get to the audio mp3?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Arnold
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen <<mailto:
> >> lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>lras@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi. I assume you intend to produce according to the Z39.86-2005
> >> > standard,
> >> > rather than Daisy 2.02. If you are doing an audio version of a
> >> web
> >> > page,
> >> > you are running the XML file through text-to-speech, perhaps
> using
> >> > the DAISY
> >> > Pipeline? Will you produce an NCX or SMIL files? Is there
> enough
> >> > information in the AMIS documentation to tell you what it
> >> requires?
> >> >
> >> > At a minimum, I would say that an OPF should have the following
> >> > items:
> >> >
> >> > Dc:title, dc:publisher, dc:format and dc:identifier so that, if
> >> > your
> >> > production is distributed, people know what it is and who did
> it.
> >> > Dc:identifier is used in constructing bookmarks in a player.
> >> > Dc:format
> >> > tells a player what version of the standard the book purports to
> >> > adhere to.
> >> >
> >> > In the x-metadata section, dtb:title tells a player how long the
> >> > book is, if
> >> > it contains audio.
> >> >
> >> > A manifest section lists all of the files in the book
> >> >
> >> > A spine section lists all of the SMIL files in the book, in
> >> reading
> >> > order.
> >> >
> >> > I know that the AMIS player, because of the way Daisy 2.02 books
> >> > were
> >> > produced, expects to find separate SMIL files for each navPoint
> >> (or
> >> > at least
> >> > the SMIL files are not expected to be very complex.
> >> >
> >> > I work on this stuff in the Z39.86-2002 format all the time for
> >> NLS,
> >> > and
> >> > serve on the committee that is planning how to update the -2005
> >> > standard, so
> >> > I may be able to help.
> >> >
> >> > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> >> > Home: <http://lras.home.sprynet.com>
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> >> > Work: <http://www.loc.gov/nls>http://www.loc.gov/nls
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > [mailto:<mailto:programmingblind->programmingblind-
> >> > > <mailto:bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Arnold Bailey
> >> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:18 AM
> >> > > To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > Subject: Daisy/Dtbook/OPF simple example
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm trying to develop a prototype to present, to the viewer,
> >> > audio (from
> >> > > a DAISY file) of the web page. I'm using an Open Office
> >> extension
> >> > to
> >> > > create a dtbook xml file. I have to create an OPF (package)
> file
> >> > to
> >> > > describe it before it can be input to the audio application
> >> > (AMIS). The
> >> > > document is pretty basic. I'm just trying to debug the
> process.
> >> > Does
> >> > > anyone know where I can get some simple examples of how to
> >> create
> >> > this opf
> >> > > file? I've looked at some of the NAMIS examples; but, they
> >> involve
> >> > full
> >> > > books and are fairly complex. Any inputadvice/guidance would
> be
> >> > > appreciated.
> >> > >
> >> > > Arnold
> >> > >
> >>
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