Note though visual studio 6 is no longer supported by Microsoft I thought I would throw that out there. When I read your mail I wanted to put in yes the Government in the US also hires blind coders quite a bit. I have been in on two contracts with the government myself while I was in Utah and I knew a blind coder that worked as an application developer in the city government there in Salt lake. In fact because of the ADA if you have the same skill sets and experience as your sited counter part you will get the job over him/her. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:45 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Common Jobs for VI Programmers Hi. I think you have some preconceptions that you may need to think about. I have no useful vision and am working as a software engineer in a defence subcontractor in the UK. We mostly use C++ with visual studio 6 or 2005. We've also been playing a bit with Ubuntu a bit as well. In terms of jobs I do as part of the software development lifecycle: Requirements writing and management using Doors. Software modelling in UML using Enterprise Architect. Both back end server and front end GUI programming in C++. Static and dynamic analysis of code using purify and LDRA Testbed (to name 2 application) In terms of the speed of creating GUI's you are correct, a blind person will take a little longer than a sighted developer to nock up a prototype screen but for final systems I can do it nearly as quickly as my sighted peers. As to Visual Studio accessibility, I believe you use Supernova. There is a map for visual studio 2005 which I've found to tbe very good, You'll also find that visual studio 6 doesn't need a map. Visual studio 2003 is a bit more problematical but a map could be written. I hope this is useful. Cheers. nick. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Veli-Pekka Tätilä Sent: 28 September 2007 14:01 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Common Jobs for VI Programmers Hi, Note: This is a slightly edited version of an off-list post I made. I'd like to have some stats on what kind of jobs blind programmers do in general, not what could be done, but what are the most common jobs and why? I've heard about assembler programming, embedded C stuff, sysadmin, writing automated tests and so on. Another possibility might be SymbianOs programming, since mobile phones are a very big thing here, and the GUis are still built programmatically or by writing resource script by hand, I think. I've been considerring trying to get a programming related job once I finnish my MSC which will take this year and a large chunk of the next one. Since it seems sighted folks can draw graphical GUis much faster than I can draw them magnified, or even lay out them programmatically, is it worth it trying to get a job that mainly involves b2b GUI programming in the dot NET domain? This is what most firms are pushing nowadays here in FInland, Oulu, it seems. Seeing how visual Visual Studio is going these days has made me a bit .reluctant toward really digging into it, especially as I don't currently use Jaws, and thus cannot benefit from the many scripts made for it here. I'm also worried about UMl for good reason, although diagramming software is getting all the more accessible, e.g. DeepView. HOwabout usability? Testing is going to be hard, since you cannot rely on videos, and really cannot moderate a sighted person, unless you have a screen reader or something. I tried usability testing at the Uni, and greatly enjoyed typing in content logs, transcribing and was the guy who found virtually all of the accessibility blunders, and many violations of basic GUI design rules, in heuristic evaluation, as well. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I'd also appreciate any papers about blind programmers' employement if the stuff has been researched. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila/ __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. 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