Jim, that's exactly it.
And, in terms of getting to grips with things like basic layout, I also
tell people to grab hold of a tactile chessboard, or something like
that, and feel around it a bit, just sort of visualising the fact that
A-1, versus H-8 will then make more sense?
For example, and, this was just a silly experiment of mine, but, I was
playing around with putting together a sort of javascript-based,
client-side pool table environment, using trigonometry to handle the
geometric calculations, and, FWIW, I had actually just used PHP's GDI
library to actually render the graphical elements as well, etc.
And, yes, I was sighted up until 14 years ago, but, that's why I talk
about the tactile interpretation as well, besides me still virtually
visualising arrangements and layouts myself.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2020-02-04 04:15 PM, Jim Homme wrote:
Hi All,
I agree with you, Jacob. In many situations I have experienced, even with sighted developers, there is a division of labor between the developer and the User Experience and designer side of things. Besides that, if you end up making your own CSS for any reason, possibly to make tweaks, remember that you can use units such as percentages and em, because you can translate visual talk into math.
After a while, you get a feel for what to do when someone says something like “Move it over a smidge,” which you can translate to five percent, then if it’s two far, move it back the other way by 2 percent, and so on.
Thanks.
Jim
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Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
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Chris, while I am a full-time web developer, I, honestly, don't bother too much with full-on CSS look and feel, beyond what suits me in terms of functionality, client-side interaction, etc.
In other words, while I might make use of some forms of formatting/presentation, when it suits me, it's up to other guys to integrate full-on look-feel styles, etc., but, especially when using things like react, bootstrap, etc., they need to be very careful not to break my code/scripting, etc.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2020-02-01 10:54 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
HI, I haven't been on this list in quite some time, but thought I
would pose a question. I had been working on an intranet in
asp.net <http://asp.net> and c# with sql server. The company I
work for is transitioning to winapps instead of an intranet, which
I think is probably the best decision given our team. So I will be
handling the c# back end and database code while one of my
colleagues will be designing the forms. I think I would still like
to modernize my web development skills. One thing I struggle with
being totally blind is handling the visual look of a website. I am
learning react, for example, and the create-react-app is very
basic. Are there good resources out there that would help a blind
person learn css enough to make things look passable, or am I
better off just learning how to hook html up to javascript with
components, state, etc. and then handing it off to some magical
sighted person to look pretty? Since I am mostly doing hobby
projects I don't care a ton but I would like to learn as much as I
can about presenting things visually. Lately I'm not feeling
especially motivated to work on side projects lol but would like
to change that. Any help would be appreciated.
