I'm not really sure what to tell you here :) if I do
console.log("Hello world!"), NVDA neatly tells me "Hello world,
undefined"and takes me back to the prompt in CMD at least.
2022-01-14 22:28 GMT+01:00, joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx <joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx>:
Hmm, lovely, auto complete.** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
I used to sort of like auto complete when I could see. I suppose I might
like it now if I were more patient. I have it totally disabled in vscode.
But weren’t here to debate auto complete 😊 (I appreciate you pointing it
out though Florian.)
I thought maybe I could disable auto complete and that might change how
output is generated. Looks like I’m not the first person to want to disable
this feature: https://github.com/nodejs/help/issues/3286
In that post, it points out auto complete was introduced in node v12.
Finally, a good reason to try nvm (https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm).
I get node v10 running in my bash shell and try the repl. Sure enough, no
auto complete, and, yes!, I actually hear the output from the code I just
typed when I hit enter.
How about the node repl v12? Sure enough, where auto complete is
introduced, I no longer automatically hear output of the js when I hit
enter.
So, what changed.
In the post there’s mention of a way to disable auto complete in the repl
settings. That lead me to https://nodejs.org/api/repl.html to try and
understand how to configure the repl.
I’m still digging around in there to find some way to affect stdout.
Thanks again Florian for helping dig in to this issue. I’ll post more
if/when I figure out how to have the output in the repl created in a way
that NVDA will read it to me automatically.
Thanks,
Joel
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Behalf Of Florian Beijers
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Subject: [program-l] Re: JavaScript REPL ... or ...
Ahh,
I see what it's doing. So, as you're typing, it's offering you autocomplete
suggestions. If you type "l" for example, it will make it 'let"in the way
that your cursor is still at the letter l, but "et" has been inserted to the
right of your cursor.If you hit tab at this point, the suggestion is
committed, and your cursor gets placed immediately to the right of the final
character.
If you don't hit tab but keep tying, the autocomplete gets removed again,
essentially you're overtyping it at that point. Does that make sense?
Florian
Op vr 14 jan. 2022 om 05:37 schreef <joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx> >:
Thanks Florian,
I’m using node v16.13.1 on both Windows and Ubuntu.
I’m on Windows 10, Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466) (just updated today).
I have Ubuntu 20.04 installed from the Windows store and yesterday ran sudo
apt update && sudo apt upgrade.
FWIW, the Python REPL (Python 3.10.1 installed from python.org
<http://python.org> ) works beautifully (as in like deno, not node).
I’ll poke around more as well. Appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Joel
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<program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:57 PM
To: program-l <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: [program-l] Re: JavaScript REPL ... or ...
Hi,
I will experiment with this some and get back to you. What you are
describing does sound suboptimal and it certainly did not do this when I
last tried it, but this is node we're talking about, things change rapidly.
Could you do me a favor and tell me what node version you're using, just so
I can closely replicate what you were trying to do?
Thanks,
Florian
Op vr 14 jan. 2022 om 00:51 schreef <joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx> >:
Hi Florian,
Glad you asked. After I sent this mail, I listened to a 2022 predictions
podcast from Syntax and they're predicting a tepid future for deno. Who
knows.
Running 'node' from either the bash shell on Ubuntu or PowerShell on Windows
does put me into a REPL. The problem is after I type some JS and hit enter,
I hear nothing. I use number pad seven to scroll up a line and can hear the
output.
I just tried more experimenting and heard some weird stuff. When I type the
following:
Let h = 'hello';
Let w = 'world';
h + w
As I type the last line, h + w, if I pause after typing the 'h', NVDA says
'hello' ( including the ticks). If I pause after typing the 'w', NVDA says,
'hello world' (again with the ticks). The same thing happens in a
wsl2/ubuntu/bash shell.
In the deno repl, I don't hear anything other than character echo as I type
the h + w. After I hit enter, I hear the 'hello world'.
This does seem to be node vs deno as they behave differently in the same
shells.
For node, it seems the repl is evaluating the statement as I type it. That
is kind of cool. If I have to choose between that and having the output
read to me after I hit enter, I prefer the deno approach (wait until I hit
enter and tell me the result).
I'd love to hear ideas, especially if they include ways to change the
behavior, of why the result is not read from the node repl even though it is
there.
I do have report dynamic content changes on, fwiw. I've seen that be the
reason nothing is read.
Thanks,
Joel
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<program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:04 PM
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [program-l] Re: JavaScript REPL ... or ...
At the risk of causing fiery armageddon to rain from the sky ...what's the
matter with NVDA and node? I've not done this in a while but when I messed
with it several years ago it seemed to work fine from the commandline?
Thanks,
Florian
2022-01-13 22:59 GMT+01:00, joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx> <joeldodson@xxxxxxxxx
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fans of cult classic 1960's movies).
I'm working on learning React which means I need to brush up on
JavaScript.
As I hope many people here realize, a REPL like Python or Ruby comes
with, is a great way to experiment and solidify one's understandings
of nuances of different constructs. I also like to use the Python
REPL, import requests, and poke at third party REST APIs. It's like a
more interactive curl.
<editing out rant about looking for a JavaScript REPL and how badly
node works on the command line with NVDA>
About at the end of my rope, I recalled hearing about deno
(https://deno.land). The scales have fallen from my eyes.
<editing out effusive praise for deno>
Indeed, deno has what seems so far to be a great JS REPL,
https://deno.land/manual@main/tools/repl. It works great with NVDA
running from a bash shell on Ubuntu 20.04 running on WSL2 on Windows 10.
In general, though I've only poked around for a day or so, deno seems
like a great project. The manual is very accessible and easy to
navigate with Firefox and NVDA.
Cheers,
Joel
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