Yes, IrfanView, PSP, Paint and Imaging are graphic progs and there are many others of varying value and usefulness. I have IrfanView, (amongst others) but can't get it to open Thumbnails for some reason right now. My computer locks up! :-( . I can tell you that jpg files are lossy files, which means that everytime they are modified and saved they lose quality.Search the net for 'lossy files' for a full explanation if you wish. Conversely, please note, BMPpic files, which are much larger in byte size, do not, and it follows that .bmp is a good format if you are going to 'fiddle' with pics. The other thing is that you should have decent size picssomewhere on your computer from which the thumbnails are produced. Try a Start/Search(or find) for a pic file file name, and that ought to reveal something better for you. If you don't know a name, try a search for "*.jpg" without the commas. (star/dot/jpg) or try *.bmp. Perhaps someone else will assist. Don't be afraid to ask icyflames. (Where did that name come from?) HTH Cheers Rick icyflames2 wrote: > By graphics program you mean irfanview or some other program like notepad >or paint or imaging? I can't seem to get them to work to open the >thumbnails. Double clicking on the thumbnails don't work either. >Menu Bar?????--You mean file,edit,view etc? >When i use paint, or was that imaging, i can get a full page but it's >nothing but crap as regards quality. The same when i resize with irfanview. >I can save them as jpegs or bitmaps or tiff's but i can't get rid of the >thumbnails. They just become jpeg, bitmap or tiff etc files. >Just to be sure that i'm not on a wild goose chase, one can change thumbs >into full size pics without losing the picture quality, can't one? > > To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/