https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-05-06-large-scale-study-
proves-that-cell-tower-radiation-causes-cancer.html
On 27 July 2018 at 14:04, Zuzana Meryova <zuzanameryova@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not an expert in this field, but there is so many articles you can
find, pro and against .. I think the most important question is who is
funding the research.
http://2018-06-16-electromagnetic-radiation-from-power-
lines-a-very-real-threat-to-wildlife-study.html
electromagnetic pollution is a big topic
On 27 July 2018 at 06:18, Will H <whanrott@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On the topic of microwaves, I very much doubt that mobile phone masts are
emitting microwave radiation at the frequency which is used in Microwave
Ovens.
The range of frequencies (800-3000) implies that they use all frequencies
in that range. That won't be true. They need to emit in very specific
frequencies for the mobile phone reception to work. I know that you know
this, but it's worth pointing out.
It's also worth pointing out (again obvious, I know) that microwaves,
X-rays, gamma rays, radio waves, ultra-violet, infra-red and visible light
are all part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Frequencies matter.
I have confidence that if research was presented which showed that a
particular frequency interfered with insect navigation then that frequency
would not be used. Which mobile phone company would want to be held
responsible for wiping out bees and other pollinators?
Will
some links which may be useful:
- https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information
- https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/electromagnetic-fields
On 26/07/18 19:45, Ann Welch (Redacted sender ann_welch for DMARC) wrote:
Thank you so much for that Paul, very interesting indeed !!!
I was going to ask / point out that whilst WE might be at a safe distance
from EMR emissions on the ground BUT Bees and birds fly high and can get
far closer to these masts than we can. Also Microwave ovens operate at
2450 MHz which is within the band that mobile phone masts emit.....800 MHz
– 3,000 MHz. Microwaves (I’m sure you know) excite water molecules in food
which results in heating). A Microwave oven will boil even a single drop
of water (or a single Bee), so resonance might not be the only thing to
consider. Also the Bee has Magnetite in it’s abdomen which is responsible
for Bee navigation. Magnetite in Bees has remnanence (residual magnetism).
Residual magnetism is used in magnetic storage devices .... I wonder if
flying too closely to a mast could “alter” their remnanence and so prevent
them finding their way back to the hive? Even a small change could mean
they were a good way off home and so may never return. Lastly .... and
I’m just “spit ballin here” as those across the pond might say.... I wonder
if bees are somehow “attracted” to the emissions from a mast, like a moth
to a flame as it were? I’ve found several papers suggesting that EMR from
mobile phone masts can cause anything from reduced numbers returning to the
hive, immune problems, reduction in Queen laying and severe agitation
leading to increased aggression AND induced swarming behaviour !
What an interesting topic !!!
Thanks again Paul and any further thoughts would be very welcome.
I’ll pass your info onto Derek but I’m definitely going to lodge a
complaint asap. I think I have sufficient info to back my belligerence lol.
BTW I love your suggestions on tackling unsociable neighbours, didn’t
think of those at all. Derek will be tickled lol.
ttfn
Ann
p.s. I hope you’re not melting like me ! Phew .... my new residence is in
the refrigerator lol
*From:* Paul Honigmann (Redacted sender "paul.honigmann" for DMARC)
*Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2018 6:02 PM
*To:* oxnatbees@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [oxnatbees] Re: Mobile Phone Mast Emissions ?
Further info from a mobile phone engineer rather than me:
There probably is a slight increase in brain cancers from using mobile
phones but it is tiny and difficult to prove. Some years ago phones were
redesigned so they radiate away from your head. I didn't ask but presumably
that means if you are only gettig 3 bars signal turning the phone may help.
However although phones themselves may not radiate much the signal
strength near a base station is massive. The only good thing is there is a
bit of a signal shadow at ground level - they don't waste power radiating
to the ground - but it could still be high.
On the subject of whether bees are susceptible he said, well no one would
know without research, but it's not inconceivable their nervous systems are
more sensitive than ours. Now, whilst they may be much smaller than a
wavelength, near basestations you do get spots where standing waves build
up. A bee at one end of a cluster may experience nothing and one at another
end may experience a high field strength.
Basically the best protection is distance.
Another electronic engineer listening to the conversation suggested
pointing out to the planning authority the existence of the SSSI,
especially if it has rare creatures in it. But you were going to do that
anyway.
May I suggest you say the ariel would ruin the look & ambience of the
SSSI.
In conclusion apart from objecting on the grounds of general NIMBYism,
("if it's not a problem put it next to his house") if you can maybe get a
signal strength pattern from the mobile phone company you could negotiate
round that, maybe move the ariel a few metres to place the hives in a low
strength spot. They might feel warmer towards you if you spoke their
language and seemed reasonable.
Paul
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On 26 July 2018 12:18 AM, Paul Honigmann <paul.honigmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<paul.honigmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ann
Here's some stuff you don't want to hear...
My experience in physics, electronic design and beekeeping seem to
overlap here so I guess I ought to say something, even though I don't feel
like an expert on this aspect.
First, there's been a lot of debate over whether mobile phones are bad
for humans. I've not followed it closely over the years, but I've kept a
vague eye on it and the following Guardian article seems a pretty good
summary - for humans:
www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/21/mobile-phones-
are-not-a-health-hazard
it concludes they are not a problem for humans.
Now, I've seen claims that mobile phone radiation is bad for bees and
initially I dismissed these because the wavelengths of the radiation are
many times larger than a bee. Generally speaking, radiation can't interact
with stuff smaller than its wavelength. However Gareth pointed out that
frames contain wire (to reinforce foundation) and this *is* about the
right size to pick up such signals. But, I'm sure you use foundationless
hives Ann, so that's not an issue here.
The only other way I could initially see for bees to interact with mobile
phone radiation was that a *cluster* of bees more or less matches the
wavelengths involved. But that doesn't seem like a credible mechanism to
me. I mean... I have seen LEDs randomly light up from the energy a mobile
phone pumped into them, a macroscopic effect, but that's because the RF was
rectified to DC by semiconductor junctions (like a crystal radio set). (I'm
assuming I'm not getting too technical here 'cos you are a physicist, Ann.)
I don't know of any biological rectifiers in organisms.
Also the signal strengths are really weak. People don't have an intuitive
grasp of this. If you are within a foot or so of a mobile phone - or a
mobile phone mast - you are in the "near field" zone and field strengths go
vast and nonlinear. But a few feet away and they drop at inverse square
rates with distance. Which is a very rapid decay with distance. You know
phones have to amplify the received signals a lot to get a signal? The
signal strength a few metres from the mast is really low. I hope to meet a
friend tomorrow who works in mobile phones, I'll ask him for more detail.
I would be much more prepared to believe bees were affected by
electricity pylons because they carry huge voltages and currents, and at
just 50Hz a fast reacting insect like a bee might be able to feel those
effects on their fur. Heck, I can see 50Hz flicker out the corners of my
eyes. But weak, GHz mobile phone signals? Imperceptible.
I've only seem one paper on bees and mobile phone masts. It struck me as
a weak analysis with general rules drawn from too few hive examples. I
think they said the bees' navigation skills were impaired at one distance
but seemed *enhanced* at another. That smacks of random variation, not
statistical certainty.
Now, as to this awkward neighbour. Why not suggest to your apiary
landlord that he talks to the mobile phone company and offer them a place
on his land of his choice for just £6k a year? If his land is higher it
would be easier (cheaper) to build. Also could it look like a tree, like
some do? Without talking to the phone company you don't know what the
options are. Can you get a field strength estimate from them? Can they
design the ariel to ensure it does not radiate in the direction of the
hives? (That last is a serious question, but let me check with Pete
tomorrow).
Paul
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On 25 July 2018 3:09 PM, Ann Welch <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone know of anything specific regarding the effect that High
frequency EMR emissions from Mobile Phone repeater masts has on bees ?
I’ve done a little looking around so far and found an article that says it
has been linked with colony collapse disorder and immune system
dysfunction. Also it can apparently screw up their navigation ability and
stop them foraging.
I ask because all our heads together are better than one..... AND the
farmer who lives next door to the land where my out hives are situated is
trying to get permission to site a 22.5 M high mobile phone mast. From all
accounts the telecom company don’t really seem to care where they site it
as the government are shouting in their ear to improve rural
communication. Also this man is not a very nice chap and is extremely
awkward to his neighbours. He wants to site this mast on his land (to
pocket the rent) BUT as far away from his property as possible which means
it’s just over the fence from my bees. Not only that but the site is
directly next to nature reserve AND a site of special scientific interest,
AND in the middle of some very ancient woodland that includes some lovely
very old oak trees that are home to a good population of wild honey bee
colonies. It seems a bonkers place to site it but he doesn’t care about
that, he just want’s the £7,000 rent pa !!!
Any info or leads to good articles / research papers that I could submit
to AVDC planning department to support my objection would be wonderful and
very much appreciated.
Thanks again
Ann