Some people are better at it than others.
-----Original Message-----
From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Karen Delzer
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:36 PM
To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
Anybody can research, ya know, it's pretty easy to do, just need to take the
time and do it.
Karen
on 08:22 PM 5/30/2017, Rosemarie Chavarria said:
Hi, Gary,
In one way it's too bad but in another way it's good that he left.
He can't
get away with using sarcasm to us just because he's sighted. Yes,
he's very
good as far as doing research about music and artists.
Rosie
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]
On Behalf Of Gary Ketler
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:13 PM
To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
It's too bad that Tallguy left. He always had some interesting
information.
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On Behalf Of Linda Gehres
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:49 AM
To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
Hey, no problem Kenneth! Glad you and Tallguy are in contact now.
Got your hard drive hooked up but haven't had physical strength to
get into
it as of yet. Am hoping on Memorial Day to do just that! Will try
to call
tomorrow (still tonight for me).
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On
Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
Hi, Kenneth,
Apology accepted. Yes, Tallguy left the list on Monday. Glad you're
talking
to him off list.
Rose
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On Behalf Of Kenneth Atkins
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:51 AM
To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
Hello Linda:
I owe you and the list an Apology. I didn't know that Tall Guy had
left the
list when I posted that last letter about my troubles. I'm now
talking with
Tall Guy off list.
Sorry about that.
Kenneth Atkins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Gehres" <ljgehres@xxxxxxx>
To: <ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:22 PM
Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
> No, Wal-Mart doesn't do e-mail grocery lists. Sorry about that.
> Either we've got to do as the sighted do in our own way or we have
to
> ask for help, simple as that.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
> On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Atkins
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:46 AM
> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
>
> Hello Linda:
>
> Most people won't test run a computer from the keyboard with the
> Monitor turned off. They don't even plug the speakers in, fix the
> computer with a mouse and send it back working for them. If I had
to
> ship it anywhere I would be tempted to send it to your shop.
>
> I haven't asked Wal Mart this but I wonder if they would take a
> GROCERY list by e-mail.
>
> Kenneth Atkins
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Gehres" <ljgehres@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 10:13 AM
> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
>
>
>> But Ken, if your problem doesn't involve JAWS directly, you can
have
>> a regular computer shop fix whatever is wrong with your computer.
I
>> haven't had anything wrong with my screen-reading program
Window-Eyes
>> in years and I've had plenty of computer-related repairs done by
a
>> shop about six blocks from my house.
>> They're
>> good and they've worked with me for the last 16 years. If you
can
>> tell them generally what's wrong with your computer, they should
be
>> able to fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Kenneth Atkins
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:18 AM
>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
>>
>> Finding a tech isn't easy as these computer shops around me don't
>> know anything about screen readers.
>> Kenneth Atkins
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Linda Gehres" <ljgehres@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:43 PM
>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the blind
>>
>>
>>>I wasn't a rehab client when I first found out who a tech was who
>>>could help me work on something that was specifically JAWS
related.
>>>If the problem may or may not be JAWS related, then you could
>>>still probably benefit by getting the services of a tech whose
>>>training involves screen-readers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:08 PM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>> Linda, I haven't thought of that. I am not a client of theirs. I
>>> might call the library also.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Linda Gehres
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>> Gary, have you thought about contacting your local Commission
for
>>> the Blind (rehab services) so they could perhaps recommend
someone
>>> to you? A few times that's what I did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Gary Ketler
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>> I have problems with amazon. It is more my computer than them. I
>>> need to find a tech to fix it but I don't have any idea as to
how to
>>> go about finding one who is familiar with screen reader
technology.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Linda Gehres
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:39 AM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>> I, too, have bought from Amazon, but have yet to try Wal-Mart's
site.
>>> Certainly I've bought from blindness related stores like
Maxi-Aids
>>> and LS&S, and it's certainly tons easier than trying to go to a
>>> store and get help locally, even if said store were to have
exactly
>>> what you wanted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:57 PM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Denise,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll say one more thing about this subject before I drop it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Before I got my first computer which was a windows 98 computer
with
>>> a demo version of Window-eyes, my mother or someone in the
family
>>> would take me grocery shopping. After getting my computer, one
of my
>>> sisters taught me how to shop on the Albertons site. When I
placed
>>> my first grocery order and it came, I felt a huge weight lifted
from
>>> my shoulders because now I didn't have to depend on anybody to
take
>>> me grocery shopping. I don't regret learning to shop online
because
>>> now I can order books or groceries online.
>>> I've orderded CD's and a DVDE from Amazon and had no problems.
>>> Oh--by the way, everything does get shipped or brought to my
>>> apartment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I guess this does it. I totally agree with everything
you've
>>> said in your message.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Denise Thompson
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 8:34 AM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Re: Internet shopping no option for the
blind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What in the world are you talking about here. You have painted a
>>> picture from the late 80's perhaps, but not now. Though every
>>> website isn't accessible for sure and I do agree with you they
>>> should be, but your piture isn't fair of the current state of
>>> things.
>>>
>>> First of all the ADA was created before the internet became as
big
>>> as it is now.
>>> Yes it existed, but not like is it now where shopping is a big
thing.
>>> The internet isn't specifically covered by the ADA so don't slam
the
>>> ADA as the biggest problem here.
>>>
>>> But in your argument you slam amazon, but in your suggestions at
the
>>> bottom of the message you want others to follow their example.
So
>>> perhaps you may want to rewrite your above message.
>>>
>>> And frankly I don't think this is the place for such a message
in
>>> the first place.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> < mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>>> [ mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Kenneth Atkins
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:22 AM
>>> To: ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx < mailto:ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ourplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>>> Subject: [ourplace] Internet shopping no option for the blind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Internet shopping no longer an option for the blind
>>>
>>> Theodore Roosevelt once said: "When you give a person a
Education
>>> Without giving them moral values, you have created a danger to
>>> Society".
>>>
>>> A person only has to look around themselves to see the truth of
this
>>> statement.
>>>
>>> When I was a child we used to live close by a small town that
had
>>> three grocery Stores, The store where I used to shop had a
Customer
>>> Who came to town with a mule teem and a wagon. Us kids were a
little
>>> Afraid of him so we kept our Distance. My point in telling this
>>> story is it was remarkable that the stores didn't lock their
doors
>>> when he come to town and tell him that he had to upgrade to a
motor
>>> Vehicle before he could be permitted to buys grocerys for his
>>> family.
>>>
>>> That was in the good old days, remember? Times have changed as
today
>>> we have on line shopping. All a person has to do is to get on
the
>>> Internet and tell the store where to ship the goodies, right?
Wrong!
>>> For the blind and disabled this is not a option. The Americans
with
>>> disabilities law requires access to these services and the law
is
>>> not being enforced onto the internet website builders.
>>> George Wallace once said: "We don't need a bunch of new laws, we
>>> need to enforce the laws we already have". And Wallace was so
right.
>>> Does anyone still remember the old black and white televisions
and
>>> the Brylcreem Commercials? At the tender age of 14 I seen their
ads
>>> and bought me a tube of the stuff, it was at that time I receved
my
>>> first shock!
>>> The product was worthless. In the nineties I heard Paul Harvey
>>> telling us how great the Internet was going to be America's
>>> information superhighway and how the builders of the Internet
was
>>> stringing cable through the mountains with mules so everybody
could
>>> get in on the act.
>>>
>>> My first thoughts were " How wonderful this is going to be for
America".
>>> Again how wrong I was! When it comes to the blind people the
>>> Internet is like another Brylcreem product, worthless!.
>>> My first Internet computer was a Gateway with windows 98 and
>>> Internet Explorer 6 when I made my first trys to explore the
>>> Internet. I found out that every on line store or service had a
>>> barrier that plainly said if you do not want to [READ THE
LETTERS]
>>> and type them in the boxes below than we don't want your
business.
>>> That was also made clear by not posting a phone number or
snail-mail
>>> address.
>>>
>>> Amazon.com/access has a picture that can't be bypassed,
walmart.com
>>> cannot reach the buy button, emusic.com put up pictures of the
>>> artests rather than the useable links, itunes has the picture
and
>>> the itunes people on the other end of the phone will not help
you
>>> get past it, Att.com I don't remember what the problem was but
the
>>> At and T company Refused To send a lineman past my place to set
it
>>> up for me, get the idea?
>>>
>>> I know of only four sites that work: Datehookup.com (Most of the
>>> women are worthless as they won't answer mail),
darwinawards.com,
>>> and the government sites. There are some hobby and Private sites
>>> where the web masters are honest enough not to use those dirty
>>> little tricks and a lot of them do post phone numbers and
snail-mail
>>> addresses. Some new nastiness has rared it's ugly head in the
form
>>> of site owners blocking their sites from Internet Explorer 8,
all
>>> one gets is "page not found". Another one is to make the
important
>>> Links needed to use the site Invisible On the older systems.
>>>
>>> If one spends a bunch of money to up grade to a newer system
the
>>> only problems that get fixed are the last two, all of the others
are
>>> still there.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the days of black and white TV a few companies were working
on
>>> color televisions. I remember reading about this in the Howard W
>>> Sam's photofact folders for radio and televisions repairmen. It
>>> seems that Sylvania had a better color system than RCA but the
FCC
>>> ruled that the RCA system be used because the Signal Could be
>>> Received on black and white Receivers. About the same time the
radio
>>> engineer's were working on stereo FM and again the FCC ruled
that
>>> the mono receivers had to be able to use the stereo Signal
otherwise
>>> the system wasn't Acceptable. When the vinal LP's first came
out in
>>> stereo there was a warning not to play the records on mono
players
>>> but I played them anyway and I could hear the full Orchestra
From
>>> the mono speaker. When the digital HD TV came out a few years
ago
>>> converter boxes were available so we wouldn't have to go out and
buy
>>> a $350 television set, The converter box let one continue to
enjoy
>>> the old TV.
>>>
>>> Get the idea? The government or someone protected the consumer
so
>>> the new Technology Wouldn't trash his investment in the old but
>>> still working Equipment.
>>> This is not happening on the Internet. Like the citizens band
radio
>>> the Internet is too filled with garbage, QRM and skip until the
>>> biggest part of it is unusable. Even business owners have
Abandoned
>>> CB radio as a reliable means of Communications. The highly
Educated
>>> people who are writing web pages for these companies have no
sense
>>> of Responsibility Toward people less fortunate than themselves.
>>> These are the kind of people we used to call dumb-smart, They
are so
>>> smart that they became stupid. The bible puts it this way,
>>> professing themselves to be wise they become fools. And Will
Rogers
>>> once said There's nobody as Ignorant As a Educated man, once you
get
>>> him away from the subject he was Educated in.
>>>
>>> I have seen this many times even in my own family, someone is a
>>> Specialist At work but at home his family has to deal with a
idiot.
>>> Just because someone has learned how to do something fancy
doesn't
>>> mean that they are Obligated to do it. The freedom to swing your
>>> arms ends where my nose begins, and I'm tired of being clubbed
in
>>> the face by having my basic
>>> rights violated on the Internet.
>>>
>>> This is a wake up call to America, your blind and disabled are
being
>>> deprived of their means of Independence By this horrable system.
I'm
>>> calling for the American people to have their Representatives
>>> introduce Legislation in Congress to have some real teeth put
into
>>> the Americans with disabilities laws in regard to the Internet.
My
>>> Suggestions are:
>>>
>>> 1 Any site that is taking money from the public for any reason
>>> whatsoever must put their snail-mail business office address on
>>> their home page.
>>>
>>> 2 All Commercial web masters should be licensed and part of the
>>> license Requirement Is keeping themselves up to date on the
needs of
>>> the disabled and the advances of the software needed to fill
those
>>> needs.
>>>
>>> 3 All sites that are Necessary for life, utilities, food,
clothing
>>> etc.should be required to be accessible.
>>>
>>> 4 Web sites that do not wish to cater to the blind should say so
on
>>> their home page.
>>>
>>> 5 If they don't want to mess up their pretty pictures, require
them
>>> to do as amazon.com/access is doing.
>>>
>>> There is something like a half million blind people in America
so
>>> this is not a small problem. Before you get all upset remember
that
>>> what has happened to others can happen to you also. There's a
saying
>>> among the blind people it's called TAB, It stands for temporary
>>> abled bodyed. What this means is that anybody can become
disabled in
>>> a flash through a Accident or by a Disease.
>>> Many
>>> Americans are blinded this way every year. How would you fair if
it
>>> happened to you? What would you do, Who would take you to the
stores
>>> for food, clothing and other needs. How would you make out
checks to
>>> pay your bills if the on line banking was gone to you There's
some
>>> friends and family that ain't trustworthy , how would you deal
with
>>> it. You are going to get old someday and when your eyesight goes
out
>>> than what? Think about this and help us by preparing the
Internet
>>> that you are going to need in the future.
>>> (please send this to as many of your friends as possable).
>>>
>>> Kenneth Atkins
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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