From what I am hearing sounds like training budgets have been slashed(including here) but I'll be going even if its out of my own pocket, plus i'm presenting, anyone else? joe _______________________________________ Joe Testa, Oracle Certified Professional Senior Consultant Data Engineering and Administration Nationwide Investments (Work) 614-677-1668 (Cell) 614-312-6715 Interested in helping out your marriage? Ask me about "Weekend to Remember" Dec 11-13, 2009 here in Columbus.