Some panic has set it in. One of the ideas thrown out is to boot all users (except batch flowid) out of the database as say 6P, or not allow login from users starting at 6P, what would be the best way (or can we) to do the above concepts. thanks, joe _______________________________________ Joe Testa, Oracle Certified Professional Senior Consultant Data Engineering and Administration Nationwide Investments (Work) 614-677-1668 (Cell) 614-312-6715 Interested in helping out your marriage? Ask me about "Weekend to Remember" Dec 11-13, 2009 here in Columbus.