Oh, there have been moments! Some calm persistence and a little list management (which thankfully goes largely unnoticed) goes a long way. And posters reading this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ...and searching this: //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l ...helps *immensely* as well. Rich p.s. Thanks, Steve! :) > Not just free, but very professional without personal attacks on posters, > etc. Thanks a lot to the Oracle-lers and participants who are doing a great > service and keeping this a pleasurable learning experience. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l