We are converting from dedicated to shared servers for some of our connections. With dedicated servers, we often used orakill to terminate the thread instead of kill session. Kill session would sometimes not get rid of the connection particularly if the user had turned off the PC, etc. With shared server, if do an orakill on the thread, you would be terminating numerous connections. SO how do you get rid of a mts session? Jeffrey Beckstrom Database Administrator Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority 1240 W. 6th Street Cleveland, Ohio 44113