All, One of my presentations at UKOUG is on the documentation. If anyone has a bookshelf of Oracle books that they wouldn't mind sharing a photo of for use in my presentation I'd be grateful if you could send it to this address. I will *not* name any contributor unless you'd like me to in which case you'd get a mention in the acknowledgements at the end, and the purpose is not to ridicule either the owner of the books, nor even the oracle docs. -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info