Hello Mark, Yep. SQLExpert. Leccotech. That sounds about right. That's the tool I've seen demoed. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxx Join the Oracle-article list and receive one article on Oracle technologies per month by email. To join, visit http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/oracle-article, or send email to Oracle-article-request@xxxxxxxxxxx and include the word "subscribe" in either the subject or body. Monday, March 15, 2004, 9:05:01 AM, Mark Leith (mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: ML> Jonathan - are you referring to SQLExpert? This tool does in fact ML> re-write a given piece of SQL in every semantically equivalent way that ML> is possible (including hints, rewriting the code semantics etc.) - then ML> shows you all of the re-written statements that have an alternate ML> execution plan to the source SQL for benchmarking.. ML> I'm pretty sure that no other SQL tuner in the market does this quite ML> like SQLExpert (please correct me if I'm wrong - I don?t get the chance ML> to test out new versions of competitors products lately, and they may be ML> catching up with SQLExpert - which has been doing tuning this way since ML> first release..). ML> The vendor is Leccotech by the way - we are a UK distributor. ML> Mark ML> Mark Leith ML> Cool-Tools UK Limited ML> Tel: 01905 330 281 ML> Fax: 08701 275 283 ML> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ML> http://www.cool-tools.co.uk ML> -----Original Message----- ML> From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ML> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx ML> Sent: 15 March 2004 13:19 ML> To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Niall Litchfield ML> Subject: Re: Re[2]: oracle can ignore hints ML> embarcadero is one. I think quest's does the same thing. >> >> From: Jonathan Gennick <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> Date: 2004/03/15 Mon AM 08:01:38 EST >> To: Niall Litchfield <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: Re[2]: oracle can ignore hints >> >> Monday, March 15, 2004, 4:12:55 AM, Niall Litchfield >> (n-litchfield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: >> NL> Stated like this it is obvious that most tuning efforts are at >> NL> best wasteful of effort (and indeed could probably be done better >> NL> by software which is great at trying hundreds or thousands of >> NL> possibilities in a scattergun approach). >> >> I have seen such software. I don't recall the vendor at the moment, >> but that software exists. You can probably see it demoed at the next >> OracleWorld. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are >> http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Join the Oracle-article list and receive one >> article on Oracle technologies per month by >> email. 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