Steve has kindly given me permission to post this short note here. I have recently started a petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/oraman/petition.html calling on Oracle Corporation to allow *all* customers, not just enterprise edition customers to license the various management packs that are available with 10g at the same cost. My rationale is set out in my blog entry about this at http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com/2005/07/10g-manageability.htmlPlease take a look and if you agree with the petition sign it. I'm grateful for those who already have, especially if you are yourselves EE customers. If there is a sufficient number of people that feel the same way I will be drawing this to Oracle's attention. If there isn't I'll know that its just a pet peeve. Follow-ups should be directed either at me or in the comments on my blog entry. They don't seem appropriate in this forum. -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com