RE: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs
- From: "Freeman, Donald" <dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Paula Stankus" <paulastankus@xxxxxxxxx>, <bob_murching@xxxxxxxxx>, "Freeman, Donald" <dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:36:13 -0400
There are 4 packs X 3k. When you are talking about database software they
charge by each cpu it runs on. And, for the productivity packs its by the
number of cpus on any database you connect to.
Jeez, It looked pretty simple: 12k for the use of the products however we
wanted to use them, not, 12k per CPU. The information I looked up on OTN is
not longer there.
I was just wondering if was the only one in the universe who didn't know this.
I feel bad that the hardest thing for me to grasp about Oracle is how the
licensing works.........
We are using other products. We have Toad with DBA pack and also DBArtisan.
I never use the productivity pack stuff but one of the other DBA's does. Guess
he'll have to get used to not having it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Stankus [mailto:paulastankus@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:18 PM
To: bob_murching@xxxxxxxxx; 'dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx'; 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Cc: 'Freeze, Matthew'
Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs
Are the OEM packs really $12K per cpu - when did this change. That
does seem incredibly high AND I am no Microsoft bigot but given that their
performance tools (as they are) come with a cheaper licensing fee - I don't
blame your PM. :)
the other options are:
-user-developed monitoring scripts but basically to reproduce all that
10G OEM gives you would be creating a whole new application
-buying a 3rd party product - might be cheaper -
That just seems like price guaging. Also, is it for each cpu on your
OMS machine or on the machine you are monitoring? I thought it was on each
machine you were monitoring?
"Murching, Bob" <bob_murching@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You can hire quite a few DBAs for the cost of the OEM packs.
For shops with
fewer than dozens of DBAs, the licensing cost makes Grid
Control a hard sell
from the labor-savings angle.
Term licenses can be more palatable as a short-term measure;
they buy you
time, and you're not throwing away nearly as much cash as you
would on the
perpetual processor licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: Freeman, Donald [mailto:dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:22 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Freeze, Matthew
Subject: Oracle Licensing Productivity Packs
I'm dragging this old thread back out because I just went three
rounds with
our Oracle Sales guy. I guess I didn't adequately understand
what Mogens
said when he said,
"Yes, you pay either $60 per Named User Plus license or $3000
per CPU
license for each of the OEM Packs. That's always been the case."
My Oracle sales guy is telling me it's $3000 per CPU MONITORED.
A year
ago, when this thread was started, we bought a one-cpu machine
and a one-cpu
Oracle 9i Enterprise Edition to host our Enterprise OMS. We
paid 12K for
the productivity packs after our discount. Now the guy is
telling me that
it's supposed to be 12K per CPU for every monitored CPU in our
Enterprise.
My fricken head is spinning. He KNOWS how many CPU's we have,
why didn't he
say something then? We wouldn't have wasted 12k. Hell, we can
only legally
use the productivity packs on the OMS database.
What started our conversation today was our question, "Can we
go to 10G and
use grid control without paying any extra money? We already own
the
productivity packs." We really wanted all the cool stuff you
could do. I'm
guessing, legally then, there are very few people in the Oracle
world
actually using any of the new stuff. It was unreasonably priced
then and it
is now.
On top of all this is our project manager who is a
Microsoftophile who
wonders if Oracle is all dat. I'll have to take a fire
extinguisher with me
when I tell him about this.....
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mogens Nørgaard
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 5:21 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Oracle Expert
And just to set the license record straight:
Yes, you pay either $60 per Named User Plus license or $3000
per CPU license
for each of the OEM Packs. That's always been the case.
With 10g there's a new twist, since some of the really cool
performance and
patch features in that relase can only be used if you buy the
OEM Packs.
In short, AWR, ADDM, ASH, Advisors, etc. on the performance
side must only
be used if you have purchased both the Performance and Tuning
packs. The
database cloning and the various patch maintenance features of
10g must only
be used if you have purchased the Change Management pack.
It makes the packs much more useful. It also makes Oracle more
expensive,
which will hinder the sales of these packs.
As for the historic facet: Yes, they came from the Rdb world,
and they
(expecially the DEC Expert product) would deliver reports
several hundred
pages long where each parameter setting, and all sorts of other
in-conclusive data, were presented to the great bewilderment
(but often
satisfaction) of the customer/end-user. The lack of proper
instrumentation
showed, of course.
Mogens
Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >
> > I would seriously advise against that. I have horrible
experience
> with OEM > change pack. The company I used to work for ended
up
> buying Schema > Manager from > Quest, despite having OEM
Change
> Management license. Quest Schema Manager > is a great
product, but
> for the change management part of "Oracle Expert", > its
expertise
> consists in producing Java engine dumps, user interface
crashes, >
> management server crashes and ORA-0600 errors in the OEM
database.
> > Whoever wrote
> > that piece of s...oftware should be a DBA in his next
reincarnation
> and be > forced to use the product.
>
>
> I will second that.
>
> We eval'd OEM change mgr and Quest Schema Mgr a few years ago.
>
> The Quest product wins, there was no contest.
>
> Jared
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