Jonathan, Here are join orders from a system where we normally run O_M_P = 1000 due to excessive parse times on certain views. These are all join orders (11) from the 1k file and the first 11 from the 80k file. Notice that the 1k considers a join on FACILITY that is not seen in the 80k file. This join order is not considered in the 80k trace file until join order #61 Jared O_M_P=1000 Join order[1]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[2]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] WIP_CONTENT_REF [ K] Join order[3]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[4]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[5]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_CONTENT_REF [ K] Join order[6]: FACILITY [PP] SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[1]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[2]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[3]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[4]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] Join order[5]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] PRODUCT [ZZ] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] O_M_P=80000 Join order[1]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[2]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] WIP_CONTENT_REF [ K] Join order[3]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[4]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[5]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_CONTENT_REF [ K] Join order[1]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[2]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[3]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] PRODUCT [ZZ] Join order[4]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] PRODUCT [ZZ] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] Join order[5]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] PRODUCT [ZZ] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] Join order[6]: SERIAL_NO [ A] SERIAL_NO_LEGACY [ X] MATERIAL_CONTENT_SERIAL_NO [ D] PRODUCT [ZZ] WIP_SERIAL_NO [ J] MATERIAL_ORDER_CONTENT [ E] "Jonathan Lewis" <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/09/2004 07:51 AM Please respond to oracle-l To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: Subject: Max permutations Has anyone done any recent testing on the effect of optimizer_max_permutations. I recall seeing a note on metalink once said the CBO would change the way in which it permuted join orders if the parameter was set to any value other than 80,000. I'm also fairly sure that I ran up a test a few years ago that demonstrated this effect. However, I've just run up a simple test on 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.4 where the only change was the number of join orders examined before the optimizer stopped (a few hundred for omp = 2000, a couple of thousand for omp-80000) - the permutation sequences were was identical. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk The educated person is not the person who can answer the questions, but the person who can question the answers -- T. 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