I think Oracle needs to pay more attention to the University / Education
stream: If the Oracle tools are taught , then graduating students will
tend to seek positions that use the same tools.
My son went to one of the few Universities that offered courses in Oracle
rdbms, sql and PL/SQL , and also Vmware. Add in Java and he had all
the major parts of their tech stack right out of school.
It was a good move because he got a very good paying job right out of
school.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:48 AM tefetufe <coskan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Continuing on car analogy
Having Flagship product Exadata Cloud at Customer is like having a ferrari
with a no-name body shop contract. I don't think Oracle executives takes
their ferraris to no name body shops but thats what they offer nowadays.
Support model of the flagship product is so wrong that owner start to
feel what is the use of ferrari.
They have support and ops team model where support is just middleman
passing the ball.
Ops team is massive bottleneck and dark hole.
Whenever I see "engaged ops team" message I feel like I here we go 5 hours
lost before I even get an answer.
Paying that much money for this support doesnt make sense whatever the
json support or converged db they are trying to build.
They also lost the mojo by being enterprise only.
Does any seasoned oracle person see a younster Oracle fan joining their
team ?
Those younsters drive the technology at companies and they are not even
offered free certifications or trainings. I don't even think Oracle show up
any university either. All they care is enterprise employees.
They still trying to make money out of training and certification instead
of using it to make people learn to use.
In my opinion If they bought Sony and playstation Instead of acquiring
zillion companies they could have a chance getting the hearts of young
generation. They have slim chance against amazon.com or microsoft xbox
with nothing attractive for youngsters to learn brand for them to stay as
major player.
Changing red to black black to red again is not really making brand more
attractive
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 08:14 Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 10/23/22 18:15, Chris Taylor wrote:--
This is going to sound like old man / old technologist complaints, and it
may be.
But I am a technologist and the more I work with new versions of Oracle ,
the less and less satisfied I am with the new versions.
Stuffing JSON, XML, CDC and whatever else into the database server *used
to make sense* when the db server was the power house - when CPU, storage,
network were expensive and your db server had all the horse power.
Today is not that day. Today you can spin up a middle tier cluster with
tons of CPU power, god awful network bandwidth and amazing storage.
Since 12.1 I have spent more time with support and yelling at them to
listen and to get an engineer on the call then all the years before (going
back to 7.1).
These ORA-01555 errors that come up with everything _besides_ actual
rollback / undo space issues are incredibly incredibly annoying.
It's no wonder people are leaving Oracle in DROVES - you have the
licensing, you have the bugs and you have the support issues.
Add to that Oracle stuffs their database product with so much stuff that
no one uses, its no wonder people are leaving.
I'm so fed up and looking forward to getting off Oracle and re-routing my
career into something new (postgres, snowflake, dynamo db , anything
besides Oracle and their issues).
End of rant. Just wondering if I'm alone in this or not?
Chris
Well, let me play the devil's advocate and defend Oracle. Oracle still
has the best technology, bar none. One important technology advantage over
anybody else are global indexes. It is not possible to create a
non-prefixed unique key over partitioned table in Postgres, MySQL or SQL
Server.
As for people leaving Oracle, it depends on the project. If a cheaper
database is good enough, why pay for much more expensive Oracle? However,
if your project includes high availability, text indexes, partitioning,
encryption and the impeccable ability to recover as much data as possible,
your only choice is Oracle. Oracle has by far the best technology.
Oracle is going from the mass production model to the boutique model:
making the expensive database for those who need it. Oracle RDBMS, until
version 9, was Model-T: relatively cheap and sold en masse to everyone.
That has stretched their support, brought a few lawsuits and presented some
problems with doing business. Now, they want to be more like a Cadillac or
Mercedes. Personally, I drive a Kia because that's all I need. Have I had
special needs, like if running a limo service, I would have needed Cadillac
or Mercedes cars. Relational database market is the same. It's flooded by
low cost alternatives, which can get most of the jobs done. Oracle changed
their business model and decided to go after the high end of the market. I
hope it works for them. However, I did learn Postgres and I did help with
converting one application from Oracle to PostgreSQL.
Many people have switched. The world of PostgreSQL is full of former
Oraclites like me, even some former Oracle Aces. It looks like Kevin
Closson is not the only "Oracle Ace (ret.)" any more. For some unfathomable
reason, people don't want to make their livelihood dependent on Oracle
Corp. There is no reason to get angry about that. The only purpose of any
corporation, including of course, Oracle Corp, is to make money for their
shareholders. Unfortunately, I am not one of them. The mission of Oracle
Corp is not to make computer geeks like you and me happy, their mission is
to make money.
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