RE: HP 3Par Recovery Manager

From: "Dimensional DBA" <dimensional.dba@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pete.sharman@xxxxxxxxxx>, <jkstill@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Oracle-L Freelists'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:34:33 -0800

If you read their own documentation it is not a replacement for RMAN. It as
most of these add-ons uses the RMAN APIs to perform backups.

See 01/2016 documentation

http://h20566.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=5335616 ;
<http://h20566.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=5335616&docId=emr_na-c04942290&docLocale=en_US>
&docId=emr_na-c04942290&docLocale=en_US

3PAR performs standard backups copies using backup SW (Netbackup, HP Data
Protector, RMAN) and uses standard copy on write snapshot technology along with
interaction with the database as shown in the manual

“Interact with the Oracle database (putting database in backup mode, stopping
redo applied process or performing database log switching), as necessary, to
create a consistent Virtual Copy.”

Too many vendors try to get you to simply buy more of their storage and use
their snapshot copies as if they were backups.

If you have any need to keep offsite backups for long periods of time, this
doesn’t work unless you are going to have someone else maintain a 3PAR system
in another data center and you still make other copies to some type of
alternate storage as everything system fails.

Their documentation and their marketing glossies don’t ever mention replacing
your backups with their product.

Matthew Parker

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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Peter Sharman
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 2:40 PM
To: jkstill@xxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: RE: HP 3Par Recovery Manager

Jared

I don’t have any experience with the product so I can’t say anything for or
against.  What I would say is you’d need to look at what they add to the
picture and weigh that against the cost (as I’m sure you’re already doing).  A
lot of other vendors in this space are using RMAN under the covers anyway, so
there’s got to be a cost-benefit analysis on why you need that.

Pete

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From: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill@xxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:04 AM
To: Oracle-L Freelists <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: HP 3Par Recovery Manager

Dear Oracle-L

We have a client that is implementing new HP Storage and associated Software.

HP is pushing their 3Par Recovery Manager as a replacement for RMAN.

If you have experiences good or bad, and are willing to share, please do so.

In particular any recovery experiences would be most interesting.

If you don't want to share publicly, please do so privately.

Thank you,

Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist

Principal Consultant at Pythian

Pythian Blog http://www.pythian.com/blog/author/still/
Oracle Blog: http://jkstill.blogspot.com
Home Page: http://jaredstill.com  ;(hmm, seems to be down)

References:
- HP 3Par Recovery Manager
  - From: Jared Still
- RE: HP 3Par Recovery Manager
  - From: Peter Sharman

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