Fwd: Call for Oracle Licensing reform
- From: Paresh Yadav <yparesh@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ORACLE-L <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 22:59:46 -0500
I thought this private dialogue might be of interest to a wider audience
and would love to know other people's experience so sharing it here but
removing names of many other people that were involved.
------ Forwarded message ----------
From: Paresh Yadav <yparesh@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Call for Oracle Licensing reform
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxx,
I don't like to take a confrontational stance so pardon my position here.
How long have you been involved with licensing Oracle products?
On the audit side, whenever you play a game ( let us say Monopoly as most
of us should have played it at some point time or a close clone in
disguise) there are rules and there are strategies. Audit is the strategy
to make licensing rules work. Nothing wrong or illegal on Oracle's part but
I hope they realize that brute force licensing is hearting Oracle's long
term prospects ( who in corporate world cares for longterm prospects when
exec bonuses and stock price depends on next quarter numbers). I am sure
Oracle has gurus doing number crunching and may be using predictive
analysis to determine the equilibrium point or point of diminishing returns
as they say in economics and trying to stay in optimal zone when it comes
to squeezing all possible revenues. My empirical observations in last 5
years say not only startups but even fortune 100 orgs flush with cash have
shunned Oracle over other alternatives.
I love Oracle database tech and consider it one of the best creations in
software enginnering even though bugs galore. But now there are
alternatives that can meet the need at fraction of the Oracle database
licensing costs and even the 'no body gets fired for buying Oracle' crowd
is using alternatives in the prod as IT becomes commoditized and is being
looked as a cost centre more than competitive advantage.
Amen!
Paresh
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> No. The audit process is how the existing licensing system is *enforced*.
>
> Reforming the audit process has no actual effect on the terms and
> conditions of the license agreement -- it would affect only how and when
> that agreement is enforced and how people feel about that enforcement after
> the fact. The article provided suggest that there is a great deal of room
> for improvement in these things -- especially "how people feel", but no
> amount of change or improvement to the audit process in any way changes the
> license. Even if Oracle announced that they would NEVER audit any customer
> EVER again (which would certainly avoid lots of hurt feelings) honest
> customers who choose to honour the license agreement (and this is probably
> the vast majority) would still have the same terms to comply with.
>
> The last time Oracle made any sort of major reforms to the license
> agreement, they removed outdated metrics like "Power Unit" (number of CPUs
> times clock rate) that forced exponential cost increases on customers
> (because clock rates were doubling every 18 months, even though actual
> performance was not keeping pace) and other metrics like "Concurrent
> Users" which were next to impossible to measure and validate. (That is,
> LMS probably found "concurrent users" hard to count, while customers found
> it almost equally difficult to demonstrate their compliance.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Paresh Yadav <yparesh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Audit process is actually licensing process in disguise.
>> Those who day dream about getting it reformed -
>> http://shortstoriesshort.com/story/who-will-bell-the-cat/ :).
>>
>> Thanks
>> Paresh
>> 416-688-1003
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM, MARK BRINSMEAD <mark.brinsmead@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> Actually, the article seems to be mainly calling for Oracle to reform
>>> its *audit* practices.
>>>
>>> Personally, I have been curious -- for a very long time now -- as to how
>>> long it will take Oracle to revise its license metrics. Now that processor
>>> designers are scaling performance by increasing core counts rather than
>>> clock rates, the cost Oracle database servers is growing at (what is likely
>>> to be) an exponential rate. Likewise, the price gulf between EE and SE
>>> products is also growing at the same sort of rate.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Hans Forbrich <fuzzy.graybeard@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> While interesting .... "be careful what you wish for"
>>>>
>>>> /Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/01/2015 11:39 AM, Dennis Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>> List,
>>>>
>>>> This is an interesting article on how Oracle needs to reform its
>>>> licensing practices:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applications/oracle-must-reform-says-software-licensing-group/d/d-id/1318492?_mc=NL_IWK_EDT_IWK_daily_20150107&cid=NL_IWK_EDT_IWK_daily_20150107&elq=9333c72ed91c4c87b4aef8a2fceeadf4&elqCampaignId=11918
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Williams
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Thanks
Paresh Yadav
416-688-1003
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