Don't be these DBA's http://computerworld.com/action/sharktank.do?command=viewDailyFull&date=20080506 http://computerworld.com/action/sharktank.do?command=viewDailyFull&date=20080507 Arghhh. The type of database is not mentioned, and the problems may or may not apply to Oracle, but the principles are the same. -- Jared Still Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist