One other thing, if you have lob's in your data, you can pretty much kiss your performance goodby. I am sure someone here can identify why, I never really tried to track it down, but basically lob's take about 10 times longer to deal with than any other item. <snip -- Andrew W. Kerber 'If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving.' -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l