Re: AW: AW: Oracle 10g for Windows
- From: Jared Still <jkstill@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Oracle-L Freelists <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:23:50 -0800
I would suggest the DBI users list.
Check lists.perl.org
Jared
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 04:14, Stefan Jahnke wrote:
> Hi
>
> If Net::Daemon doesn't work on windows, I'm actually wondering about =
> how to
> get dbiproxy to work on windows anyway.
> In O'Reilly's DBI programming, the author suggests a setup for =
> connecting to
> a DB running on Windows via Proxy from=20
> a UNIX machine. Totally doesn't work for me.
>
> Did anybody ever get this to work? Or am I on the wrong list for =
> questions
> like this?
>
> Stefan
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Gesendet: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:15 PM
> An: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: Re: AW: Oracle 10g for Windows
>
>
> I don't believe that Net::Daemon will work under Windoze.
> The only daemons I have personally created have been
> via Dave Roth's Win32::Daemon.
>
> These are daemons on that interact with services.exe.
>
> It may be possible to subvert HTTP::Daemon for use as Net::Daemon,
> but I really don't know.
>
> When I need to interact with something on a Windows system, I tend
> to do it with this checklist in mind:
>
> * should this be done in Perl?
> * if so, can I do it from a linux box?
> * darn, looks like this has to be done from the server.
>
> If it has to be done on the server, and Perl is the tool of choice, I =
> try
> to minimize the number of components.
>
> ie. I don't want to rely on Cygwin.
>
> I will install Perl, and the modules needed to do the job.
>
> I've don't try to setup the Cygwin Perl to use DBD::Oracle, etc.
>
> Instead, I just use the Active State perl when in a Cygwin shell,
> which I only do from my laptop.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke@xxxxxx>
> Sent by: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 02/17/2004 10:32 AM
> Please respond to oracle-l
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> =20
> To: "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> cc:=20
> Subject: AW: Oracle 10g for Windows
>
>
> Hi Jared
>
> Since you are the list's official Perl guru:
>
> Speaking of making impossible things possible:
> Is there a way of getting a DBI::Proxy server=3D20
> to work under windows using Active State (5.6)?
> I needed to install Net::Daemon and PlRPC,=3D20
> but I keep getting Net::Daemon errors reporting=3D20
> non-implemented methods needed by dbiproxy.
>
> I would like to use that to run perl scripts=3D20
> that were developed on and for unix to be run=3D20
> on Cygwin, connecting to a local dbiproxy running=3D20
> on Win2k (ActiveState Perl).
>
> Any chance?
>
> Stefan
>
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> -----Urspr=3DFCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2004 17:03
> An: Oracle-L Freelists
> Betreff: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
>
>
> Robert,
>
> The point with several of these items is that they=3D20
> are not provided with the OS.
>
> Re the services: stopping and starting a service will
> not pick modifications to the environment. It requires
> a reboot.
>
> As for your comment on Perl: You don't appear to have
> too much experience with it. Perl makes hard things
> easy, and impossible things possible. :)
>
> Jared
>
> On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 06:48, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> > Comments inline ...
> >=3D20
> > RF
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> >=3D20
> > >> What I dislike about working with Oracle on Windows:
> >=3D20
> > >> * No decent scheduler. Yes there is 'at'. Like I said...
> > Good point, though this should be less of an issue with the new =3D
> Oracle
> > Database 10g Scheduler, which is supposed to be able to kick off =3D
> external
> > programs (including batch programs). I have not played with this =3D
> specific
> > bit of functionality much, but what I have played with worked.
> >=3D20
> > >> * Installing Perl on win32 with all needed modules has become =
> a=3D20
> > >> monumental pain in the rear.
> > Hmmmmmm..... Another reason that Perl just isn't one of my fav. =3D
> scripting
> > languages.
> >=3D20
> > >> * Why can't MS provide a semi-decent code editor.
> > >> Yeah, notepad. Right.
> > and vi or ed is any better??? Granted, once you learn vi, it's pretty
> cool,
> > but in the begining? UGH! My vote for best windows editor is =3D
> textpad....
> > hands down the best editor I've ever used.
> >=3D20
> > Anyone remember an editor called EC? Do they still make it?
> >=3D20
> > >> * Command line utilities. You think unix/linux is arcane?
> > Actually, you can do a lot at the command line in NT.... Of course, =
> =3D
> it's
> not
> > as robust as UNIX (have yet to find, for example, a fold command). =
> =3D
> Still,
> if
> > you are some C or basic coding experience or you are adept at the =3D
> web,
> it's
> > not too bad.=3D20
> >=3D20
> > >> * The fact that an incredibly robust PIPE implementation is built =
> =3D
> in,
> > >> but there is no access from the command line. And that Oracle is =
> =3D
> built
> > >> with the MS stdlib ( think that's the sitation ) so even
> > >> when you get 3rd party tools that work with PIPE's, they won't =3D
> work
> > >> with Oracle.
> > Ok, I agree, this has been an issue with me as well.=3D20
> >=3D20
> > >> * The fact that there are still drive letters.
> > Ahhhh, so what? :-) Drive letters, mount points, who cares?=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > >> * That MS has *finally* got around to offering unix like =3D
> utilities, but
> > >> wants $100 for them, on top of the money you've already paid for =
> =3D
> the=3D20
> > >> OS.
> > I've seen NT related UNIX utilities around for a while (don't recall =
> =3D
> if
> they
> > were MS though).=3D20
> >=3D20
> > >> * That it took until Win23k for MS to design the system to allow
> > >> different versions of apps to have different versions of DLL's.
> > >> Lesse, we've been doing this on unix for 30 years or so?
> > Hey, we all have growing pains! :-)
> >=3D20
> > >> * The stupid Oracle home selector that is strictly a GUI.
> > I have yet to use the Oracle home selector. Of course, I'm an old =3D
> Oracle
> > command line guy.... OEM gives me a rash.
> >=3D20
> > >> * That whenever a change in environment is made that needs to be =
> =3D
> picked
> > >> up by an existing or new service, you must reboot because there is =
> =3D
> no
> > >> other way to reset the environment seen by services.exe.
> > Can't you just stop and restart the service? How often does one need =
> =3D
> to
> > change the environment in production anyway (hopefully not that often =
> =3D
> once
> > it's stable!)
> >=3D20
> > >> Mind you now, Oracle runs just fine on win32. It's maintaining it =
> =3D
> and
> > >> working with the environment that is so annoying, and made =3D
> difficult
> > >> where it shouldn't be.
> > For me, the scheduler has been the biggest issue of all of these. =3D
> Frankly,
> > the others don't cause me much of an issue. Each platform has it's =
> =3D
> good
> and
> > bad side. Which would I prefer, Oracle on UNIX... but I just don't =
> =3D
> think
> > Windows is that bad.
> >=3D20
> > Jared
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:26, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> > > My 2 cents...
> > >=3D20
> > > Most of the complaints I see about Oracle on Win here are either:
> > >=3D20
> > > 1. By people doing it for the first time, or who rarely do it.
> > > 2. By people who are doing Oracle for the first time, or rarely do =
> =3D
> it.
> > >=3D20
> > > I actually like Oracle on Win, and I agree with Tom, I've had few
> > problems
> > > with it.
> > >=3D20
> > > I agree that installing service packs is maddening, but don't most
> > Unix OS
> > > upgrades of any great import seem to require a reboot?=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Robert
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Koivu, Lisa
> > > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: 2/13/2004 12:53 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> > >=3D20
> > > Hi Tom,=3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Are you kidding? You never have to install service packs and
> > reboot?=3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > We run windows 2003 and our "vice president" in IT decided that as =
> =3D
> a
> > > corporate standard we should turn on auto-update and let the boxes
> > > reboot themselves. Excuse me??=3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > The more I work on Windows, the more I do not like it. However, =
> =3D
> I'm
> > in
> > > the same boat as you. You make do with what you are given when you
> > are
> > > not personally paying the bill.
> > >=3D20
> > > Lisa Koivu
> > > Senior Monkey
> > > Orlando, FL, USA
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mercadante, Thomas F
> > > [mailto:thomas.mercadante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:58 AM
> > > To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> > >=3D20
> > > Unfortunately, we have to put up with unrealistic comments like =3D
> these.
> > > let
> > > me repeat it again for those who forget:
> > >=3D20
> > > Some of us have no choice in the operating system that we work =3D
> with.
> > > And
> > > some of us are running systems under a Windows environment and are
> > > perfectly
> > > happy with how things run, and *never ever* have the "problems" =3D
> that
> > get
> > > reported here. =3D3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > I have windows databases that have been running for 3 years now.
> > > *Never*
> > > does the machine crash. And *never* do we reboot "just because we
> > > should".
> > >=3D20
> > > If you experience bad things, then I suggest you take it up with =
> =3D
> your
> > > system
> > > admin. More than likely, somebody was allowed to treat a database
> > > server
> > > like a personal desktop.
> > >=3D20
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >=3D20
> > > Tom Mercadante
> > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:Rajendra.Jamadagni@xxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:46 AM
> > > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Remind me again .. is this oracle-l forum or slashdot ??
> > >=3D20
> > > <g>
> > >=3D20
> > > Raj
> > >
> > =3D
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> =3D
>
> > > -=3D3D3D
> > > -------
> > > Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com
> > > All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal.
> > > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David Sharples
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:44 AM
> > > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > Define dominant?
> > >=3D20
> > > The chances of Linux overtaking the average desktop in the world =
> =3D
> are
> > > pretty slim and Linux is not really mature enough to run enterprise
> > > level stuff - maybe soon it will be.
> > >=3D20
> > > Sun and HP are Windows are still more widely used (rightly or =3D
> wrongly)
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