It is my understanding that password protected roles are no longer enabled even if they are default roles. I am hoping this will be documented in 11.2 but bug 7581798 ROLES WITH PASSWORD DON'T WORK WHEN LOGON was closed due to the above Thanks Fairlie Rego Senior Oracle Consultant http://el-caro.blogspot.com/ M: +61 402 792 405 --- On Fri, 24/4/09, Stuart Blackburn <sblackbu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Stuart Blackburn <sblackbu@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: 11g Patchset 1 Changes To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 10:50 PM Just wondering if anyone knows if they've changed the way roles work in patch set 1 or this behavior is unexpected. I can't seem to find any relevant documentation on it online to see if this is expected. 11.1.0.6: SQL> create role testrole identified by testrole; Role created. SQL> create user testuser identified by testuser; User created. SQL> grant create session to testrole; Grant succeeded. SQL> grant testrole to testuser; Grant succeeded. SQL> connect testuser/testuser; Connected. SQL> 11.1.0.7: SQL> create role testrole identified by testrole; Role created. SQL> create user testuser identified by testuser; User created. SQL> grant create session to testrole; Grant succeeded. SQL> grant testrole to testuser; Grant succeeded. SQL> connect testuser/testuser; ERROR: ORA-01045: user TESTUSER lacks CREATE SESSION privilege; logon denied If I create the role without a password it works though. Thanks Stuart -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier.