Hi Joe There was some very good images of the Ora shown at a paper session at OPS this year. They were captured by on the RetCam using a Gonio lens. This may be an easier method for someone that is not used to the astigmatic correction on the Zeiss. Stephen ------------------------ Stephen Travers Manager Clinical Affairs Heidelberg Engineering,Inc 1499 Poinsettia Avenue Suite 160 Vista, CA 92081 Tel:760-598-3770 ext.1541 Mobile: 817-716-2699 Email: stravers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Warnicki Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:02 PM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: Photographing Ora Serrata My choice would be the ff3. Make sure you are familuar with the astgmatism control. Don't wait until your prime patient to get accustomed to this. Have you doctor show you the pathology with the teaching mirror on the indirect. Watch him/hers scleral depressor position and angle. Ask your doc to also remember the position and repeat it with the patient at the camera. Depending on where the pathology is tilt the patients head to maximize the angle. Maybe use some eyepads to hold the forehead or chin away from the head support but still holding it steady. The doctor will find this difficult also, since they cannot see what they are accustom to seeing, and the camera working distance is closer than they are use to. The Zeiss has the longest distance but it is still tight. Good luck it isn't easy but with a cooperative patient (and doctor) you can get good results. Anyone have experience with a three mirror gonio? Joe On 11/12/2010 1:15 PM, Ellen Redenbo wrote: Anyone have any advice on trying to photograph the Ora? We have 50 degree fundus, Zeiss FF3, a SL camera and a RetCam. Or does anyone have any Ora images that would go into a Retina chapter of a book with photo credit? If you would like to contact me privately: redenboe@xxxxxxxxx Thanks. -- Joe Warnicki J-WAR Systems Inc. 700 Carla Drive Pittsburgh, PA warnickij@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ph 412-517-8792 cell 412-327-6042