First, this isn't the punishment phase, this is just the injunctive phase (to keep them from doing further wrong). The district court judge ruled that EchoStar needed to shut off service to unlawfully served households. The idiots (it can now be said of the folks at EchoStar), instead of complying with the injunction granted in 2001, delaying the clock and collecting additional revenues. Echostar maintained that they had removed from their lists all viewers that were unlawfully getting distant signals. (What they did was to remove ONLY people who had, by Echostar's jaundiced view, a few -- VERY FEW -- people who Echostar couldn't color as being distant signal subscribers, like Barry Brown.) During the appeals, they collected revenues on the rest. On appeal, the circuit court did something very unusual; they overturned what the judge who actually held the trial concluded (charitably) about the good-faith of EchoStar. That judge held that EchoStar's principals were evasive, as were more than a few of their expert witnesses, and called much of their testimony unbeliveable. The judge could have gone much further, and held their actions to have been wilful. The circuit court, without the "benefit" of the personalities involved, found the actions of Echostar to not only be wilful, with the holding on this point being the paragraph I posted yesterday. They ruled that, absent a settlement with the petitioning parties, Echostar's wilful activities could only be addressed by shutting off service to all distant households. Why both lawful and unlawfully served households? Because they didn't beleve that EchoStar honestly tried -- in 1999 -- to clearly use the rules and see who was lawful and who were not. The included in the "lawful" category the ones who were lawful and those that they thought it would be too expensive for the copyright holders and stations to determine were lawful. This is the aspect that my friend was involved in during 1999, and he told me that EchoStar was misinterpreting the rules, then having him sign certifications using misconstrued criteria. So, the circuit court (appeals court) told EchoStar to turn off all households, since their previous assertions that they had fairlyseparated the two categories of users were not to be believed. The "punishment" to the lawfully-served viewers is rather minor; loss of distant signals for a few days or weeks until they can -- assuming they can do so lawfully -- acquire the signals from DirecTV. It will be disruptive, yes, and it will strain my friends doing the installations. But,the gear is free, and the rates are comparable. I suspect that what will happen is that a significant percentage of the "lawfully served" households will turn out to be not lawfully served. Here's one aspect that I haven't heard addressed in the legal proceedings, but that I know of from the install side. When a customer moves, they are supposed to be re-evaluated as to their access to distant signals. Sometimes they move in-market, and may not be eligible (Echostar losing revenue); other times they move in-market and would be eligible if the engineering work is done. Other times, they move out-of-market and aren't eligible for distant signals absent a new analysis. As of the 1999-2000 time frame, the only time that a station became aware that a household had moved was when the viewer called the station to whine about something and mentioned that, due to whatever problem, they had moved but had distant signal access, anyway. EchoStar would record the customer move for billing and collection purposes, installing (if necessary) the rx gear at the new location. But, they didn't notify the station(s). You see, all communications on distant signal access were to go through the satellite provider. DirecTV did this, by all reports I have, properly and fairly kept stations informed, and always did a proper engineering analysis on the new receive location. Maybe I didn't hear of cases, but I have a few friends in the home/office/MDU satellite biz. Indeed, I have a story on point. The VP of Engineering of a station group in whose office I sat told me of his experience in this area. When DirecTV went to spot beams, he wanted the ability to view the closest out-of-market station under him live via satellite. His office was just on the edge of that spot beam, so he needed to put up a bigger than normal dish. When he told DirecTV that he wanted access to station K___ in market ____, he was told he would need a waiver from the broadcaster. He said "no problem, I grant the waiver", since waiver requests for the group were funneled through his office for processing. The DirecTV rep told him the process was more formalized than that, but he got his service when the paperwork was done. "With Echostar, it would have been much easier", he chuckled. I should have noted in my previous post that the only two senators who are asking for a hearing are from Echostar's "home" state of Colorado. One should assume that they asked all 100 senators to join in on the request. This case stinks to high heaven, and I'm not talking about Fox, DirecTV or News Corp. One can even assume that the other affiliates and networks took the money and ran, knowing that News Corp would do the heavy lifting -- they are, after all co-plaintiffs. When are the idiots at EchoStar going to behave like they will have a business after September 12 and launch their hostile takeover of Tivo? They could do it by using a bit more than half of their cash in the bank. Cash they accumulated, in good part, by unfairly failing to pay fees and residuals to the people that install their dishes in homes, offices and multiple dwelling units. John Willkie John Shutt wrote "Alright, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not Bob Miller, but there is one thing I don't understand. The court ordering EchoStar to turn off out-of-market signals to those who have the service unlawfully is understandable and reasonable. But why order EchoStar to turn off service to those who are receiving out-of-market signals lawfully? Punishment to EchoStar? If so, it's more like punishment to innocent subscribers instead. John" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.