Dave Irons wrote: > Working to raise the bar is probably best done one on one or in small > groups or when leading a trip into the field, as that provides a > context for meaningful teaching I totally agree, except this doesn't happen all that much anymore. Like Dave and Shawneen, I've volunteered to lead quite a few field trips, and I like to think that I'm pretty sociable when it comes to random encounters in the field, as I try to stop and talk to just about everyone that I meet in the field, whether they're birders, hunters, or random dog-walkers. However, my impression is that person-to-person field interactions are no longer the main way that most people approach birding. Even on Audubon field trips, I don't see a lot of new faces in the group from year to year, compared with the number of new birders who are popping up. Last weekend I was out to Finley NWR, which is a little farther than I usually roam. I saw more than a dozen other birders/photographers out there, each in their own vehicles. As I rolled by each one, I had my window down, looked at them and gestured to indicate I'd be happy to chat, figuring we could share some sightings while we were birding the same stretch of road (figured they probably saw more ducks, but I could have told them where to look for Horned Larks and pipits). But every single one averted their eyes, looked somewhere else as we passed, and kept going. I don't think I'm all that scary-looking, so it was hard to figure. I stopped by the prairie overlook and there was a young family out there, wearing Oregon Ducks regalia, but they kept their backs to me the whole time. After I got home I found half a dozen reports on eBird from birders who must have been out there at exactly the same time as I was. My conclusion from that and other several similar experiences over the past year is that a lot of today's birders are just not looking for interactions with anyone else who happens to be out there with the same interest. They can find what they need to know on the internet. I don't see any other way other than OBOL to reach new birders with ideas on birding ethics. eBird doesn't seem to support any discussion forums that would replace list-serves such as OBOL. Maybe there's a Facebook or Tumblr page out there where young birders are discussing these same issues, but I haven't heard of it. Anyway my conclusion is that OBOL is the last, best remaining forum for discussing topics that are of broad relevance for birding in Oregon. People who are just looking for RBAs and quick twitches have other places to go; this is the only true statewide discussion forum. Good birding, Joel OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx