Oh well, Stejneger considered them conspecific,no doubt swayed by his intimate experience with L. (c.) kamchatkensis. So how about that Maryanne? Norwegians have a use in the world after all--that member of the Royal Norwegian of St. Olaf lumped some Larids! He also was exempted from retirement at the Smithsonian by presidential decree. Lars On Aug 30, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Craig Miller wrote: > Hi all, > > After reviewing several photos of the birds I reported as Mew Gulls, I > realize I was mistaken. The adults are seen to have pale eyes, and when the > mud is not obscuring the bill, it is obviously not all yellow and is too big > for Mew: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/crmillerbirds/14896891019/ > > The plumage on the immature gull also fits that of a Ring-billed, not of a > Mew Gull, even though the bill is rather small and dark for Ring-billed. > https://www.flickr.com/photos/crmillerbirds/14897061607/ > > Thanks to Shawneen, Alan, and Jeff who immediately helped set me straight! > > Craig Miller > Bend, Oregon