Folks: For what it's worth, Bill Clark is virtually certain that the dark red-tail that Jim photographed at Baskett Slough is a Harlan's, although he would like to see the upper surface of the tail for confirmation (no surprise there!). I agree with Mike's statement that, "Just because a well respected individual favors a certain ID doesn't make the ID correct." Yet, I would think that the opinions of certain individuals might carry more weight than others. In this case, Bill has examined several thousand live birds, photographs and museum skins of dark red-tails - probably many times more than the rest of us put together - so surely that counts for something. Some commenters mentioned the brown or rufous color of this bird in deciding that it wasn't a Harlan's. Sorry, but I don't see that color at all. This bird has the blackish plumage that is typical of Harlan's. I have seen both "chocolate" and rufous morphs of red-tails, and their colors are much warmer than this bird. I also don't think the photos allow for determination of the extent of feathering of the tarsus. However, it's interesting to note that all birds that Bill considers to be Harlan's (by plumage) have feathering significantly farther down the tarsus than typical western red-tails, although not as far down as rough-legs or golden eagles. Having seen about 5 Harlan's in the hand, I can attest to how strikingly different the tarsus feathering is between Harlan's and typical red-tails. The difference is actually measurable and may be statistically significant. Olin ------------ Olin Allen Shangri-Llama Farm Monmouth, Oregon